Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Veers.......

The second part of his suggestion is to make it more expensive for a larger group to dec a smaller group.........so a balance if you will. That along should fall in line with what you like to preach about a lot.

Otherwise yet again your just blowing hot air....Conflict is the driver for EvE in one way or another....can you please stuff it already or just leave.

Firstly it's not my game or your game, it's CCPs game, and they've designed it so that you can never operate in total safety anywhere in EVE, and have stated clearly that it is a fundamental design choice that they've made with this game, and it won't change.

Secondly, CONCORD doesn't protect you. CONCORD only punishes. CONCORD doesn't have your back, because if I, or anyone else wants to blow up your ship enough, we can. If some day they allowed titans in highsec it would still technically be possible to suicide gank them, the only question on weather it will be done or not is how much do they want to do it? Anyone engaging in suicide ganking has already decided that losing their ship is acceptable and is willing to deal with that and every time you undock, regardless of you being conscious of it or not, you consent to PVP at any moment.

Thirdly, CCP has provided players with multiple avenues of avoiding awoxers. The only issue that I have here is that CCP should probably provide an in game method of reviewing a character's API, it could be like a resume that may be submitted per request showing the same information as an API, only in game. Regardless, players can still demand an API from prospective recruits, or demand that said recruit has a certain minimum time to discourage people from using throwaway accounts. If its too hard for you, that's your problem.

Fourth, if you think that danger leads to risk averstion, you should look to the most dangerous systems in EVE before you make such a statement. Systems like GE-8JV are buzzing because they're dangerous, and the danger, the ships that are blown up, the excitement and opportunity, all of it, it attracts people and makes them come together, either as friends or enemies.

Wardecs are a part of this game, and they'll continue to be in some form or another. You are always going to be subject to pvp as long as you play EVE. It's a core part of this game. Instead of making it an opportunity you try your hardest, and lie, misinform, and exaggerate in an attempt to convince everyone that this issue, which is merely an inconvinience at the absolute worst, is somehow ruining the game. If the devs ever listened to people like you (thankfully they don't) this game would die, and it would be your fault.

Natural selection.

The attacker chooses who to attack, when to attack and when to stop attacking. That seems to favor the attacker to me.

I think the aggressor should get a proportional refund if the defender folds. The aggressor is only locked in for a week max and they also have the option of folding their own corp (I think.) The other things are there to balance out the attackers natural advantages & can be minimized by doing your research on a corp before attacking it.



Yeah. I've never said prior consent should be obtained for war decs... I posted an idea that I think could result in more fighting, on the aggressors terms as well.

So, for all the pansy carebears who continually chime in when war mechanics are mentioned, I will simply refer them to membership in an existing mechanic called NPC corporations. If you want to be safe from wardecs, simply stay in an NPC corp, and shut the hell up re: spreading your pansification into further nerfs to wars...

Now with regard to war mechanics. If war mechanics are to exist, they should be *meaningful*. The biggest hole right now that you can (and many do) drive a truck through is the fact people who are wardecced can simply shed the war before its normal & paid-for expiry and 'dodge' it, by dropping corp to either run to an NPC corp or other corp, immediately.

This is a bad mechanic. Again, if someone wants to be safe from wars, they stay in NPC corps. If they decide to start a corporation or join one, that has *implications*. We aren't debating wars 'yes' or 'no' here. We are saying wars are still BROKEN.

Now Tora suggests one angle to make war mechanics better. I still however believe tweaking around the edges like that takes focus away from the real main issue, and that is dec dodging.

Solution wise? Its completely balanced and fair to say that IF someone decides to make or join a player corp, and a wardec lands, every person in that corp should be subjected to the war for the paid-for duration. No exploit to remove the war.

This means quite simply, we should be focussing our efforts on having wars follow INDIVIDUALS that drop corp, for a period of one week (or until war was already set to expire, whichever comes first).

This is balance. This is fairness.

Now. AFTER that exploit has been plugged, we can talk about revising rate structures, or even putting fees in a bucket claimable by defenders based on agressor ships killed, etc etc.

F

exactly. Its their game, where you can leave a player corp and dodge a wardec and yet still be vulnerable to attacks (suicide ganks) and never be safe. Its all fine.



its buzzing with people sharing your playstyle, not industrialists you trying to grief in HS. Why arent you in GE but instaed are squatting in HS crying for CCP to give you vicims and easy prey on a silver platter?
In fact those in GE- are way better than you, instead of crying at CCP for nerfing high sec players they head out to places where pew pew is happening.


lol
yes they are part of the game, noone argues about this. So are NPC corporations.

no, they arent useless if you wardec people who in fact play HS wars and will return fire. Without wardecs noone could be doing wars in HS.

point of the game is to do whatever you do. Its sandbox, played by CCP's rules, no more no less.



if this would've been this only way, CCP havent given us NPC corps. Right?
You can pay mercenaries but you dont need to. So is the game, so are the rules. Its sandbox.


I love it when high sec squatters calling out other high sec squatters for being carebears :D
Go low, WH or 0.0 there you'll receive lots of pew pew.
You are amongst those people hiding under free protection of CONCORD, or what exactly is the reason you live in HS?


yeah grow a backbone and head out of HS and play the game as it was designed - instead of cutting off yourself from everybody else you havent wardecced (industrials and mission runners).
Holy sh**...

They are and you know it, we all know it. If you want to hit a rivals assets then your better off just ganking them.