Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You do realize that this is a bubble field of hundred or more kilometers radius with large T2 bubbles with a bubble range of 40 kilometers, meaning that your supers and carriers have to travel quite a bit to smartbomb them off, regardless of their number. You do also realize that if your supposed inbound large fleet is indeed the case, your cyno jammer is incapped in a matter of minutes by sub caps and your protection rendered unusable.

So, would you please decide what you want to talk about: Big fleets where your Cyno Jammer and Bubbles alike don't matter a lot, or Small fleets or Roams where your Cyno Jammer would shut out enemies completely and bubbles provide a proper delay for them using the gates.

Sorry to be this blunt but are you ret*rded or something?
The only one talking about ratters here is you, so you should probably just decide to stop posting here for the benefit of everyone.
Also smartbombs are not the only weapon supers have but they can kill all the close bubbles while you are locking the large ones that are farther away and send in your FBs. They don't have to kill every bubble that is there god knows how far away either, but just those that are bubbling a ship.

Last but not least if they come in and kill the jammer with a subcap fleet you can form a defense fleet with subcaps on your own and if they beat you then its totaly fine that they kill the jammer and bring in their heavy toys. But as it is currently it seems far more easy to throw your supers around if they are allready in the neighborhood then before the changes, so its a good idea to talk about this (at least if one has to contribute anything valuable to the discussion )

NO!!

Sorry HERO, this is a stupid mechanic idea to balance the effective nerf to the cyno jammer.

For reference I ran the numbers on what it would take for a pure subcap fleet to take on 30 supers.

An Aeon can rep around 7000 dps, around 10k if you assume they swap tank to match the incoming damage profile (which they will). Assuming an average of 500 dps per subcap that's 20 subcap dps ships needed to break the reps of 1 super. That's 600 dps ships for only a small 30 man super fleet and that number only gets higher when you factor in links and titan bonuses. Also of course each super is putting out around 5000 dps while tank fit so even if you can get over 600 dps ships you need around 150 logi ships to prevent those supers from killing off the dps before they can break.

That's a minimum of 750 subcaps to beat only 30 supers, the actual numbers would be much higher as you need other support ships, you need a lot of extra dps ships so that you can break them in a meaningful time frame. Also you need to completely rework how to run logi for 750 subcaps.

Super blobs aren't local tanked like regular sieged/triaged capitals. I don't think you factored in the remote reps from all the other supers in your calculations there. 30 supers can quite happily tank 750 subcaps all the way till downtime.

Judging from other actual engagements where supers have died, the average cost of killing a single supported super is somewhere around 70 suicide dreads. There doesn't seem to be a way to kill supers without trading an equal if not greater value of suicide capitals, unless you yourself have more supers than they do.

So some kind of strategic defense structure that forces subcap engagements would be pretty nice. However I understand it's not fair how a defender can put the jammer on a gunned POS, cycle the cynojammer and park a slowcat fleet on top of it so that subcaps get massacred when they try to attack the cynojammer.

It might be more interesting to require as many cyno jammers in separate locations as there are gates in the system, and then if any one of them goes down then the gates will then admit capitals again, but cynos are still disabled as long as one jammer remains.

Its really not an ideal system, but then neither is the existence of supercapitals, which CCP originally intended to be a rarity.



Smartbombs kill dictor bubbles too, friend. Throw in a few T3 escorts for the super fleet and dictors will not be able to perma-bubble a super fleet. This was tested before Phoebe hit

You can bubble all you want, all you can really do is slow them down and annoy them, which doesn't matter a whole lot because sov structures don't move.

Previously capitals could jump more than 5LY. Can you make a thread about that too? You know, for the originality of the jump drive and all.

Also if you put your thinking cap on (if you have one) there are lots of ways to keep a gate safe.

THANKS

if you think that they will have only one smart bomb you really need to rethink

http://i.imgur.com/hbtuJ.jpg

Problem solved.

Yes bubbles are completely ineffective against a super fleet, they are far too easy to kill and are at best a short term delay tactic.

If adding this ability to the jammer module is too strong, perhaps something like an SBU that can be anchored to block capitals from using a specific gate, Capital Blockade Unit or something like that.

They have the ability to filter caps from jumping into high sec so it must be possible.