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Suggestion for CCP regarding Thera

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Amarrian Cougar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-11-18 15:29:37 UTC
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-11-18 15:33:03 UTC

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#3 - 2014-11-18 17:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Amarrian Cougar wrote:


If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita",


They don't want it to be anything.

It's just a place they made for us to do with as we wish. That is the true sandbox thinking that gives me faith that CCP and EVE aren't going to fold anytime soon.

Mr Epeen Cool
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#4 - 2014-11-18 17:42:22 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
...after it's novelty wears off.

Looking at the EVE community I'm slightly more optimistic.

Remove standings and insurance.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#5 - 2014-11-18 17:49:30 UTC
CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this.

Its a new system, with tools that we can mess with. It may become a ghost town, a pirate haven, controlled by a wh alliance, controlled by a 0.0 alliance, a thunderdome war zone, the jita of wh's, who the heck knows. The point is they gave us new stuff to play with.

When the novelty wears off, someone will come in and take it over and change it, giving it new life. That's what eve is.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2014-11-18 18:05:53 UTC
Trade hub locations are dictated by the players, not by CCP.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-18 18:39:36 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,
"blighted" weapons


No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized

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corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-18 18:53:38 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer



Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy
Jita wasnt designated
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#9 - 2014-11-18 19:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer



Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy
Jita wasnt designated



No freighters from highsec, ore won't be brought in, people won't risk jump freighters in lowsec and null.

Market pvp defined by reputation of corporation people don't normally have reputation with, and can't get easily.

You want marketeering to happen here?

1) remove all taxes (if you have accounting 5 and broker 5, regardless of your reputation) you pay 0 taxes in posting orders or setting orders. Period (people like tax havens).

2) to match in someway, the amount of traffic that goes through jita, you would have to make the highsec hole unclosable by players. You would also have to allow freighters in (you don't currently). If you do that though, people will just bypass Thera and move stuff to Jita. You would need a intermediary, which would be the orca. Would people risk orcas to ship stuff, probably not.

3) you would have to make build costs exceedingly cheap here.

4) would have to create a interdiction nullified hauler (not a cloaky, but with high resists to probing) to deal with bubblegate

The main one is probably market taxes. That would make this a better marketing hub than Jita. After that, let them try.

Yaay!!!!

Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-11-18 19:22:32 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,
"blighted" weapons


No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized


Actually, it's useless.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2014-11-18 19:36:10 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this


Fozzie referred to it as this when he announced it and that is why the players are referring to it as such, however this is just what they gave us tools to create weather we use them as such they leave up to us
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2014-11-18 19:36:39 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,
"blighted" weapons


No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized


Actually, it's useless.


Like anyone would buy a 'Useless Neutron Blaster'... Come on now..

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-11-18 19:50:09 UTC
WTB: 8x 'Useless' Neutron Blaster
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-18 19:56:11 UTC
CCP doesn't dictate trade hubs. In fact, if Yulai taught us anything, it's that CCP doesn't want any one system to be a trade hub, at all.

They removed several gates from Yulai in an attempt to encourage regional hubs, but everyone moved to Jita, anyway.
Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore?
Now, you have what? Rens, Hek, Amarr, Dodixie, and Jita. That's far from the "regional" idea CCP seemed to want, and Jita still has more people than all the others, combined.
Those were player decisions. Yulai taught CCP not to screw with the player-driven market.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-11-18 19:59:28 UTC
Pt 2:

While Thera is unique, for the time-being, and is kind of a W-space "Jita" by default, trying to force all the players to choose one of the four stations is a crappy idea, and will likely backfire.
Just the simple fact that two of the stations are directly on-grid with oneanother is going too much in that direction to begin with, and I hope they change that.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#16 - 2014-11-18 20:18:27 UTC
What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?

I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.

Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#17 - 2014-11-18 20:24:58 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
corebloodbrothers wrote:
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer



Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy
Jita wasnt designated



No freighters from highsec, ore won't be brought in, people won't risk jump freighters in lowsec and null.

Market pvp defined by reputation of corporation people don't normally have reputation with, and can't get easily.

You want marketeering to happen here?

1) remove all taxes (if you have accounting 5 and broker 5, regardless of your reputation) you pay 0 taxes in posting orders or setting orders. Period (people like tax havens).

2) to match in someway, the amount of traffic that goes through jita, you would have to make the highsec hole unclosable by players. You would also have to allow freighters in (you don't currently). If you do that though, people will just bypass Thera and move stuff to Jita. You would need a intermediary, which would be the orca. Would people risk orcas to ship stuff, probably not.

3) you would have to make build costs exceedingly cheap here.

4) would have to create a interdiction nullified hauler (not a cloaky, but with high resists to probing) to deal with bubblegate

The main one is probably market taxes. That would make this a better marketing hub than Jita. After that, let them try.



Why do you think no ore will be brought in? People will bring stuff in and take the risk if there is a chance to make money. People will even take the risk of mining if there is a chance to make money. Never underestimate human greed and or stupidity

1) This won't happen however

2) no you don't need an uncloseable hole, it is essentially a moving trade hub. As I said already, never under estimate human greed. The wh alliances and corps alone could easily use this system as a way station for stocking up on good and putting things here for sell. They can defend there ships that go into and out of the system with ease. And as it links to other terriroties, other people will go in to see if they find deals or make millions. Human greed is magic.

3) they will be, no pos' means the only cost are everyone making stuff in the 4 stations. It will be one of the cheaper places to build for a while.

4) no you really don't, MWD and cloak trick if done correctly can get you well outside of a bubble and range before you are decloaked. its not that bloody hard to dodge a bubble camp.

Taxes are a sink, and from storyline perspective the sisters will want isk too.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#18 - 2014-11-18 20:28:37 UTC
Zappity wrote:
What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?

I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.

Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?



WH local is delayed local. Its delayed because you don't sow up unless you talk. so that's the trigger.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-11-18 20:31:27 UTC
Zappity wrote:
What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?

I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.

Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?


Delayed local is local like it is in WH space. You don't show up in local until you say something.

Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system. However, once they dock at the station, they will never be able to undock unless they are protected by a combat force able to claim 'air superiority' over the station. Imagining what a freighter escort mission might turn out like is pretty fascinating. However, it goes without saying that independent traders without extensive combat support will not be active in Thera. Except for station trading that is.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#20 - 2014-11-18 20:45:54 UTC
I love all these dreams about Thera being some form of trade hub.

Let's be real. This is Eve. Every station will be camped 23.5/7 by people who only know how to win via docking games, and in the long term, it will wind up being just another rarely used system.

It's a waste of Dev time.

Profit favors the prepared

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