Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm admitting that it's easier / smarter to do in certain systems. The .5 systems also tend to be choke points which makes it even smarter to camp.

Ganking in a .6 or .7 just requires an extra pilot or two. If you preposition concord you won't even need an extra pilot in those cases. I've ganked freighters on my own in .8 space. I see no reason to engage in .9 or 1.0 since those are severely limited areas and the other lower sec systems outnumber them.

Ganking isn't real pvp it's basically a PVE level of activity. There's no risk involved and the target is unable to defend itself.

In the end you can qualify mining as a pvp activity as you're actively competing against other players for ore and such. I'm not even sure if there's an activity in this game that you couldn't technically define as pvp.

One of the smartest things I've done since I came back to this game was to make gank alts on all my accounts. I now have 14 characters who with a mere 2 months of training (I went with 3 months because nado/talos/t2cata) are capable of being used to make life horrible for those I choose to target.

Forcing law abiding citizens to become criminals to defend themselves against criminals is broken. And yes, I am the good guys....I've never once committed a criminal act in the game. Keep trying.

Said the guy who fits billions of isk on a ship that is meant to be travel fit yet moves slower than a roaming dreadnought.

You might want to go tell that to about half of the americans. Massive chunk of them own guns for the sole purpose that they believe it is ultimately their responsibility to keep themselves and their friends/family safe. And this is modern society. No need to wait for a dystopian future . Although some would argue we are in one. You'll find them with the tinfoil on their head.

You owe me a new monitor because I spit my drink out laughing at this and I don't feel like cleaning it.

I don't think the Bowhead is a bad idea. As long as the cost to gank it is reasonably high when it's fitted for tank, it should be pretty useful. Just remember that fitted battleships can cost north of 300m now, and it seems reasonable to expect to be able to carry a load of T2-fit BS around without becoming an economically-viable gank target.

I still don't think that these should be the only highsec hull transport option, though. I seriously think you guys should re-think your stance on allowing capitals into highsec. It's great that you're introducing a low skill requirement, basic hull-hauler for highsec use, but I think capitals should be allowed to participate in this role as well. The nut-shot you guys have given jump-travel and the complete impracticality of traversing empire space through lowsec (hello, 70-jump routes that still require the use of the jump drive here and there because some places literally don't have a lowsec-only route) would make allowing caps through highsec a major quality of life improvement. Also, you'll have to re-do POSes soon anyway, so any concerns about capitals being used in highsec POS warfare (not that I'm sure these are valid to begin with: people in all other kinds of space manage to get by with caps attacking their POSes just fine) could soon be addressed through a POS shakeup anyway.

lol just sit back and eat popcorn bud. It's a inevitability that comes from discussing one topic over and over again for hours on end. By the end of it, any onlookers laugh their asses off while the people invested shake their heads and still try to cling to their desperate arguments while wondering why the onlookers are laughing said asses off.

On Topic : I think this ship could definitely be useful. Even as a general fitted hauling "service." So I'm glad it's making it's way into the game till capitals are allowed into highsec. I won't even touch on the gank possibilities as it's way out of my expertise. I don't gank, nor do I worry about ganking as I usually don't fly alone or fly AFK when I do.

TBH I was really hoping for a roquarl that could transport combat ships. I think some one said it can carry 92 ? harpys that's a little under 3billion isk and its only carrying t2 fit AF. so its carrying nearly 3x what a standard freighter would carry and its got less tank and well proably cost more. I don't don't understand why we could just get a roqaul - the jump drive that could carry combat ships seems much easier to me.

Highsec is already very, very safe. In fact it is probably safer than it ought to be, and it might be arguable that it is safe to an extent that is unhealthy for the game. That the only real problem players have is in certain chokepoint systems, and even then, the problem is small-scale, infers to me that highsec is very safe indeed.

Yes, I know, that is only my opinion and I have nothing substantial or statistical to back it up. It's just what I've observed.
(cue the "that's just, like, your opinion man" from Lebowski)

That aside, I think the EHP on the Bowhead could use to be reverted back to the original numbers (~350k if properly fitted, if I recall correctly). I don't think gank profitability is of any relevance in this discussion, as it is a question of motive and not of the mechanics of the act, and right now it's highly questionable if profitability is even a [major] driving factor behind ganking at this time (how many times have I seen a thread titled something along the lines of "Help CCP! Empty freighters being ganked!!!"?). So putting that aside, the original EHP numbers were powerful and perfectly usable*.

*Caveat: like others have mentioned earlier in the thread, having the majority of EHP in shield is a great idea to encourage logi support.

But EHP plus or minus, it most likely won't directly effect me since I am unlikely to be able to partake in taking one down either through gank or through wardec. No, my main beef with this vessel is another point already driven home by other posters and while I know it won't change, I have to say it just the same - having yet another industrial skill that only effects one ship is just bullpocky. I'd rather see the ship rolled in with Capital Industrial Ship (someone said earlier it would have XL rigs, right? Well, isn't that capital? Well then it's an industrial ship that's capital and needs to be a part of that skillbook).