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London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-17 16:40:48 UTC
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#2 - 2014-11-17 16:48:12 UTC
http://belligerentundesirables.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/psychotic-monks-safari-guide-v3/

Get it while the getting is good - there are elements within CCP threatening to eliminate this playstyle from the game in the near future. The isk is great.Twisted

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London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-11-17 16:56:30 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
http://belligerentundesirables.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/psychotic-monks-safari-guide-v3/

Get it while the getting is good - there are elements within CCP threatening to eliminate this playstyle from the game in the near future. The isk is great.Twisted



Interesting. I haven't given much thought to this style of play, but will certainly read into it.

Cheers
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#4 - 2014-11-17 17:50:52 UTC
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


Combat exploration is easy. Ded 1-4 can be found in HS. you need an exploration ship to find the sites and a combat ship to complete them. Both the exploration and the combat can be hit or miss - meaning sometimes you wont find any sites and sometime when you do they will drop crap. But they are easy to run and you can look for them and do it own your own time. The drops can be particularly good for a newer player 100 - 200mil not uncommon in the ded 4s. Sure you wont get space rich doing them, but it is an easy way to keep the t1 hulls in stock.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#5 - 2014-11-17 17:55:35 UTC
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).

JUSTK is recruiting
London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-17 18:03:42 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).



Thanks for the advice thus far guys, much appreciated.

I am looking at a few hours per week, most being on the weekend of course. I tend to log in, undock, and find some pew (almost-instant gratification :D, thank you FW pew pew). I would like to try and maintain a wallet balance of ~1 bill as I am becoming more confident in my abilities I am exploring higher level ships (AFs, Intys, HACs, etc). Certainly don't need to be space rich, but I do want to try some pirate/navy cruisers and not be worried about funds when I when I get blown up.

I will give exploration a go, though I fear with how fickle drops are, I may be wasting my time. I recently considered invensting some isk into market trading, and following some guide on how to maximize profits. People have told me PI can be worthwhile given I don't have too much time to invest in this game.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#7 - 2014-11-17 18:08:43 UTC
London James wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).



Thanks for the advice thus far guys, much appreciated.

I am looking at a few hours per week, most being on the weekend of course. I tend to log in, undock, and find some pew (almost-instant gratification :D, thank you FW pew pew). I would like to try and maintain a wallet balance of ~1 bill as I am becoming more confident in my abilities I am exploring higher level ships (AFs, Intys, HACs, etc). Certainly don't need to be space rich, but I do want to try some pirate/navy cruisers and not be worried about funds when I when I get blown up.

I will give exploration a go, though I fear with how fickle drops are, I may be wasting my time. I recently considered invensting some isk into market trading, and following some guide on how to maximize profits. People have told me PI can be worthwhile given I don't have too much time to invest in this game.


If you are in FW you can run plexes while you pew for the LP and then convert the LP in the store and sell the goods for iskies. Long term as you get to fly more expensive ships you can run FW missions in either a bomber or a T3 depending on your faction and risk tolerance.

JUSTK is recruiting
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#8 - 2014-11-17 18:09:26 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).


How much time it takes to support your habit depends upon what your habit entails. If you fly solo in fw space or null you may tend to lose more ships. OTH if you do alot of indy ganking in lowsec you probably will lose very few ships. As I have moved from newbee to vet my ship choice has evolved. I used to fly sb to flip cans and kill indies. I didnt lose very many of those. I then went to fleet combat in null where I had srp. Then I moved on to a drake to gank indies on lowsec gates. Then It was a drake with hic support. Then onto t3 stuff. Now its blops and dreads. I dont lose many ships, but when I do its a billion isk + prospect. I dont really pve at all to support that habit as what I kill over time can usually pay for it. What you got to remember is that you make isk for a purpose. If its to pvp then you dont have to grind all day - only just enough to make ships to replace what you may lose. So as a new player, flying cheap t1 ships, isk generation is not really that hard at all.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-17 18:14:22 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).



Thanks for the advice thus far guys, much appreciated.

I am looking at a few hours per week, most being on the weekend of course. I tend to log in, undock, and find some pew (almost-instant gratification :D, thank you FW pew pew). I would like to try and maintain a wallet balance of ~1 bill as I am becoming more confident in my abilities I am exploring higher level ships (AFs, Intys, HACs, etc). Certainly don't need to be space rich, but I do want to try some pirate/navy cruisers and not be worried about funds when I when I get blown up.

I will give exploration a go, though I fear with how fickle drops are, I may be wasting my time. I recently considered invensting some isk into market trading, and following some guide on how to maximize profits. People have told me PI can be worthwhile given I don't have too much time to invest in this game.


If you are in FW you can run plexes while you pew for the LP and then convert the LP in the store and sell the goods for iskies. Long term as you get to fly more expensive ships you can run FW missions in either a bomber or a T3 depending on your faction and risk tolerance.


This is something that I have been looking into. While I tend to roam about looking for quick fights, I see empty plexes everywhere. I need to read a bit of literature on the mechanics, but am I correct in thinking you trade in your LP for an item outright? Are there pre-requisites? i.e having to purchase a t1 Vexor in order to exchange LP for the Navy Version?
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-17 18:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Market trading is time consuming but I've it's just an obscene amount of ISK.

For me, I have set up PI and make about 45 mil per day (total over 3 toons). It requires approximately one month of training to get your skills to that level. It's not as much income as active income streams like incursions but it only requires about half an hour of maintenance each day (so ~80mil/hr in those terms).
London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-11-17 18:21:20 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Market trading is time consuming but I've it's just an obscene amount of ISK.

For me, I have set up PI and make about 45 mil per day (total over 3 toons). It requires approximately one month of training to get your skills to that level. It's not as much income as active income streams like incursions but it only requires about half an hour of maintenance each day (so ~80mil/hr in those terms).


Given my limited amount of time, PI seems like it may be a viable option, although I don't want to sub many alts. I will read up on it.

LP Exchange is also something I will look into as I feel it can be very lucrative, and I wouldn't have to sub an alt so I suspect the most cost-effective.

Thanks again dudes
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#12 - 2014-11-17 18:22:45 UTC
London James wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
London James wrote:
Hello,
Thanks in advance for reading and (hopefully) providing some constructive ideas :D

I am having trouble making decent isk in this game to fund my pvp toon, I usually purchase plex but money is a bit tight right now. I have limited time so incursion-ing for hours or mission grinding is out of the question, and I am not making enough looting what few ships I destroy. Can anyone provide a good isk making guide? I see so many on Google/Youtube, is there a "best of the best"? I hear market trading can be very lucrative?

Any advice is appreciated.


How many hours per day/week do you have to make isk and how much do you need to support your pew pew habbit? \

Incursioning is generally between 100-200 mil isk per hour as a rule of thumb.
Regional Hub Trading once you are good at it can definitely pay the bills, but it can take a little while to figure out, and normally is done with more than 1 account (Jita toon + one toon for each other market you want to be active in).



Thanks for the advice thus far guys, much appreciated.

I am looking at a few hours per week, most being on the weekend of course. I tend to log in, undock, and find some pew (almost-instant gratification :D, thank you FW pew pew). I would like to try and maintain a wallet balance of ~1 bill as I am becoming more confident in my abilities I am exploring higher level ships (AFs, Intys, HACs, etc). Certainly don't need to be space rich, but I do want to try some pirate/navy cruisers and not be worried about funds when I when I get blown up.

I will give exploration a go, though I fear with how fickle drops are, I may be wasting my time. I recently considered invensting some isk into market trading, and following some guide on how to maximize profits. People have told me PI can be worthwhile given I don't have too much time to invest in this game.


If you are in FW you can run plexes while you pew for the LP and then convert the LP in the store and sell the goods for iskies. Long term as you get to fly more expensive ships you can run FW missions in either a bomber or a T3 depending on your faction and risk tolerance.


This is something that I have been looking into. While I tend to roam about looking for quick fights, I see empty plexes everywhere. I need to read a bit of literature on the mechanics, but am I correct in thinking you trade in your LP for an item outright? Are there pre-requisites? i.e having to purchase a t1 Vexor in order to exchange LP for the Navy Version?


Most of the items that give a very good conversion rate do have items that go into them including the LP, but not all of them.

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ is handy.

One thing I did forget to mention though is be mindfull if you ever decide to OPlex or run missions or you could wind up like me and have massive standings issues with a couple factions and you may have to just write off a large portion of highsec for anything but your alts, even once you have retired from FW. ATM you can't fix your standings with tags like you can with sec status.

JUSTK is recruiting
London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-17 18:27:22 UTC
Excellent- will keep that in mind, and thanks for the link! Very helpful
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-17 20:06:15 UTC
London James wrote:

Given my limited amount of time, PI seems like it may be a viable option, although I don't want to sub many alts. I will read up on it.


Your sub nets you three character slots - I am able to make ~1.3 or 1.4bil a month from just one sub. The most thrifty players will never let a character slot go to waste. However, you will have to use a PLEX for multiple character training, or pause your character training for a while to train alts.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-11-17 21:19:35 UTC
London James wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
Market trading is time consuming but I've it's just an obscene amount of ISK.

For me, I have set up PI and make about 45 mil per day (total over 3 toons). It requires approximately one month of training to get your skills to that level. It's not as much income as active income streams like incursions but it only requires about half an hour of maintenance each day (so ~80mil/hr in those terms).


Given my limited amount of time, PI seems like it may be a viable option, although I don't want to sub many alts. I will read up on it.

LP Exchange is also something I will look into as I feel it can be very lucrative, and I wouldn't have to sub an alt so I suspect the most cost-effective.

Thanks again dudes


The fun part, you have 3 character slots on an account. So, even with 1 account, you can still have a nice PI setup if all 3 characters are running PI.

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Justin Zaine
#16 - 2014-11-18 07:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Zaine
OP what I would suggest is that you run FW Plexes.

You said that you're already in FW and enjoy the instant gratification that it provides you - With little effort, you could kill 2 birds with one stone by Plexing and PVPing with whoever tries to scare you out of said Plex. On one hand, if you don't run into anybody you finish the Plex and get LP, on the other hand if you do run into someone you get pew. Win Win.

I think that this is the best option for you because with the limited time you've got available, you don't want to spend it doing something boring like PI or market trading. For one, PI in HS or LS is kinda bad, and will also take time away from your PVP activities, and market trading can be good based on where you're doing FW, but will still take time away from doing what you like doing. Both PI and market trading require capital as well as time and research in order to do effectively.

Many people Plex their accounts doing FW and it's something that many new players are told to look into due to the high profit/effort ratio. On one weekend during my first few weeks in the game I joined FW and casually ran Plexes. I walked away with over 200 mil that sunday night and with a little more effort spent on actually Plexing, you could do this as well.

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London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-11-18 14:00:03 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
OP what I would suggest is that you run FW Plexes.

You said that you're already in FW and enjoy the instant gratification that it provides you - With little effort, you could kill 2 birds with one stone by Plexing and PVPing with whoever tries to scare you out of said Plex. On one hand, if you don't run into anybody you finish the Plex and get LP, while on the other hand if you do run into someone you get pew. Win Win.

I think that this is the best option for you because with the limited time you've got available, you don't want to spend it doing something boring like PI or market trading. For one, PI in HS or LS is kinda bad, and will also take time away from your PVP activities, and market trading can be good based on where you're doing FW, but will still take time away from doing what you like doing. Both PI and market trading require capital as well as time and research in order to do effectively.

Many people Plex their accounts doing FW and it's something that many new players are told to look into due to the high profit/effort ratio. On one weekend during my first few weeks in the game I joined FW and casually ran Plexes. I walked away with over 200 mil that sunday night and with a little more effort spent on actually Plexing, you could do this as well.


Excellent. This is what I am going to do!
Crimson Draufgange
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#18 - 2014-11-18 18:56:33 UTC
You can make roughly the same amount of ISK from "plexxing" FW sites in a militia as you can in high sec incursions. If you can fly a T3, you can make insane amounts of ISK doing level 4 FW missions, but at a much higher risk. I've done incursions, I'm currently in the GalMil, I've done all of the above, so I know.

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