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[Proposal] - Economy Revamp - Remove Bounties And Give More Control To The Player
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#1 - 2011-12-14 04:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Adding more isk via bounties & overseers artifacts doesn't seem right to me. Neither do the taxes on goods even if it is part of roleplay. Isk should flow freely and not be added or taken away magically. Giving players control of the custom offices in low sec, null sec and wormhole space is a step in the right direction so why not give people control of custom offices in all of high sec? Economic warfare should have a greater prescence. This can also apply to agents too, so they no longer give out isk but other bonuses which include LP.

People shoot rats mainly for the bounties though not always is it fun. Bounties could be replaced by special loot inside particular faction rats say serpentis boosters, guristas missiles etc. For taxing of goods, make it so that the corporations and or alliances receive the tax income. Give people more tools to deprive others of their isk. If there is only a set amount of isk at any one time in the eve universe it would reduce the chance of inflation. Let the rich become richer not because they can shoot the most officers but because of skill in manipulating the markets and cunning. You don't need isk to have fun in eve so the poor will not lose out.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#2 - 2011-12-14 06:07:02 UTC
No. And how the hell are noobs supposed to get ISK to by new ships if Mission agents don't pay for the missions. All loot dropped from low level rats is next to worthless. This is just another nerf Hi-sec because there is no risk thread.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#3 - 2011-12-14 14:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Intar Medris wrote:
No


Lol. A convincing and well thought out argument...I think not.

Lets see. Incursion rats and drones AND sleepers don't have bounties. Hmm how do the players and new players that kill them get their isk! Salvage doesn't drop isk, how do players get their isk from salvage! Here is an answer, they sell the loot on the market.

New loot can be created. If Inter Medris could be bothered to read I specifically mentioned special loot to replace the bounties.The no bounties idea would also apply to low sec ands high sec. Bounties would simply be replaced by items that you sell on the market. Specific agents could drop more lp and new items to sell etc.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-14 15:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Quote:
Isk should flow freely and not be added or taken away magically.


Think about what you're saying there for a while. You'll soon realize how stupid the idea of stopping any and all ISK injections are.

I do agree that there is too much ISK being created, but cutting ISK injections altogether is a terrible, terrible idea.
Goose99
#5 - 2011-12-14 15:11:16 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Quote:
Isk should flow freely and not be added or taken away magically.


Think about what you're saying there for a while. You'll soon realize how stupid the idea of stopping any and all ISK injections are.

I do agree that there is too much ISK being created, but cutting ISK injections altogether is a terrible, terrible idea.


Yep. How do you think irl economy works? Hint: gold standard no longer in effect.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2011-12-15 04:38:17 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
No


Lol. A convincing and well thought out argument...I think not.

Lets see. Incursion rats and drones AND sleepers don't have bounties. Hmm how do the players and new players that kill them get their isk! Salvage doesn't drop isk, how do players get their isk from salvage! Here is an answer, they sell the loot on the market.

New loot can be created. If Inter Medris could be bothered to read I specifically mentioned special loot to replace the bounties.The no bounties idea would also apply to low sec ands high sec. Bounties would simply be replaced by items that you sell on the market. Specific agents could drop more lp and new items to sell etc.



So, uh...how, exactly, do you propose people make money in nullsec under this then? By selling useless items to people who are already swimming in them?
Grozdan Boyadijev
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-15 06:35:47 UTC
In a reality with scarce goods, you could probably make this idea work. But EVE doesn't work that way. Asteroid fields magically repopulate after downtime, rats respawn endlessly, and ice never disappears. Fixing the economy to a finite resource will simply result in massive deflation, as items will flow into the system faster than they are destroyed. You're simply swapping one problem (too much isk) for another one (too much stuff) which creates a skewed market.
DeftCrow Redriver
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-15 07:47:41 UTC
Following your suggestion to remove isk faucets wholesale while keeping isk sinks, isk would become a scarce resource with limited supply, which will eventually be hoarded and fall into disuse. The word "deflation" won't begin to describe the damage on economic mobility. Daily transactions would have to be conducted via an alternative material currency, most likely basic minerals that get magically regenerated. Never mind using any tools for transaction that involves isk, let alone buying skill books, LP items, new blue prints, etc. The amount of overhead would devolve the economy into something seen in history books, like the Roman empire or 18C Britain.

That's simply too much pain in the rear. For awful trading experiences, Diablo 2 was more than enough. (although the latter was caused by a textbook case of hyperinflation, but still)
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2011-12-15 09:18:37 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Adding more isk via bounties & overseers artifacts doesn't seem right to me. Neither do the taxes on goods even if it is part of roleplay. Isk should flow freely and not be added or taken away magically. Giving players control of the custom offices in low sec, null sec and wormhole space is a step in the right direction so why not give people control of custom offices in all of high sec? Economic warfare should have a greater prescence. This can also apply to agents too, so they no longer give out isk but other bonuses which include LP.

People shoot rats mainly for the bounties though not always is it fun. Bounties could be replaced by special loot inside particular faction rats say serpentis boosters, guristas missiles etc. For taxing of goods, make it so that the corporations and or alliances receive the tax income. Give people more tools to deprive others of their isk. If there is only a set amount of isk at any one time in the eve universe it would reduce the chance of inflation. Let the rich become richer not because they can shoot the most officers but because of skill in manipulating the markets and cunning. You don't need isk to have fun in eve so the poor will not lose out.


But... but US goverment creates $$ from thin air, if they need money thay just print them.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-12-16 04:48:59 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
I clearly haven't thought this through.


Fixt.Pirate

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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#11 - 2011-12-18 18:27:47 UTC
DeftCrow Redriver wrote:
Following your suggestion to remove isk faucets wholesale while keeping isk sinks


I never suggested anywhere to keep isk sinks. Isk sinks as well as isk faucets will be removed.
Goose99
#12 - 2011-12-18 18:54:22 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
DeftCrow Redriver wrote:
Following your suggestion to remove isk faucets wholesale while keeping isk sinks


I never suggested anywhere to keep isk sinks. Isk sinks as well as isk faucets will be removed.


And then isk will be removed.Big smile
Jeveriah Zhuchowski
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-12-18 21:54:20 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
Quote:
Isk should flow freely and not be added or taken away magically.


Think about what you're saying there for a while. You'll soon realize how stupid the idea of stopping any and all ISK injections are.

I do agree that there is too much ISK being created, but cutting ISK injections altogether is a terrible, terrible idea.


Yep. How do you think irl economy works? Hint: gold standard no longer in effect.


Well, yeah, but that's just because the carebears rule in real life. ;)