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Generic Clouds are holding back the visuals of EVE

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-14 10:22:53 UTC
The title pretty much says it all.
You know the ones, the lag-inducing cloud environments, the ones found in dead space complexes and mission sites?
I think it's about time that some development goes into bringing those up to shape.

I brought this up again, after watching some cinematic footage of Thera. The new WH nebulae are beautiful, and the SOE station skin is pretty cool, but those 10-year old cloud objects really do a good job at masking all of that hard work by the Art team.

New UI is all right, it just needs some improvement. Following that (after Rhea), the visuals in deadspace should get some modernisation. Right? Because a large portion of the player-base runs missions, exploration, and sleeper sites.

I know this is an alias thread, but with all the focus on visuals in recent times, it really needs to be addressed.
Jade Blackwind
#2 - 2014-11-14 11:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
...Probably hundreds of people said this over all the years, and got a "no" from CCP, because it's a design decision that the environment must look the same for everyone, but yet I dare to stubbornly say it again.

Please give us the option to turn off those godawful particles completely.

Thanks.
Noriko Mai
#3 - 2014-11-14 14:08:18 UTC
That **** drops my fps EVERY ******* TIME!!!!!111!!! They are crap!

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#4 - 2014-11-14 14:30:32 UTC
Agreed. No bueno.

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Anthar Thebess
#5 - 2014-11-14 14:41:20 UTC
I need to disable all effects just to have them gone.
Don't know why but my pc manages better 800 people on grid than one of those clouds.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#6 - 2014-11-14 14:42:19 UTC
I have been asking for their removal for over 2 years now.

I gave up. Enjoy your crappy FPS.
Serene Repose
#7 - 2014-11-14 14:47:13 UTC
If you're still counting FPS get a real computer. Those of us using 21st Century technology see no problem here.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-14 14:51:39 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
If you're still counting FPS get a real computer. Those of us using 21st Century technology see no problem here.



My Starfleet issued Datapad is 24th Century technology, and still has trouble with these clouds.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#9 - 2014-11-14 15:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
Noriko Mai wrote:
That **** drops my fps EVERY ******* TIME!!!!!111!!! They are crap!



Back when I had my 8800GTS 320Mb I thought holy crap these clouds suck maybe some day I will get better FPS in them. Then I got an 8800GT and then a 4850 and then a 4890 and then SLI GTX460's and then a GTX480 and then a GTX670 and then SLI GTX670's AND THEN a R9 290.......but somehow......even with something like 14x the GPU power and 13x the VRAM I still can't get a solid 60FPS in the clouds. So maybe it's my processor? Here we go again! Early Pentium D dual core -> Best Pentium D Dual core -> Mid Range Core 2 Duo-> Best Core 2 Duo -> AMD X4 940 -> AMD 8350 -> 2500K -> 3570K@4.7Ghz but still with more than quadruple the processing power per core and double the number of cores I can't fly through a cloud in EvE without my framerate getting dropped like an ugly baby at an orphanage.

But I'm not surprised.....it's just another things for the dev team to blame on dev teams before them. More good management at CCP.

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Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#10 - 2014-11-14 15:32:49 UTC
+1

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-14 17:33:45 UTC
Skyrim on ultra? No problem.

Aged cloud visual? Nope.

If they aren't going to make the clouds optional then they should bring things up to speed, even the worst PC ports manage their graphics better than that one single visual effect.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-14 18:15:11 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
If you're still counting FPS get a real computer. Those of us using 21st Century technology see no problem here.

It's not really about FPS.
If you don't think that the clouds look really bad in contrast to the rest of the game environment, then you're probably running on low, and it's easy to see why you would see no problem in that case.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#13 - 2014-11-14 18:28:05 UTC
I have not had any issues with these, maybe you need to upgrade your pc?

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Kyo Avanta
Legendary Asset Management
#14 - 2014-11-14 18:53:32 UTC
+1
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#15 - 2014-11-14 18:55:42 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Generic Clouds are holding back the visuals of EVE

The title pretty much says it all.


OP would prefer paying more for band-name clouds.




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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#16 - 2014-11-14 18:55:59 UTC
Okay, firstly it's under "Effects" in "Display and Graphics" settings. I only bring this up because it appears no one got the memo. What we should really be asking though is why CCP tied it to half of the other effects in the game: disabling those clouds also disables effects like engine and missile trails, shield/armor and other various ship related effects, etc. One thing to note as well is that the option use to require a session change for the effects being turned on or off to take place properly, don't know if it still does. It's either the "GPU Particles" or "Effects" toggles; can't quite remember since after seeing it in a patch note from before (came out with Rubicon or Odyssey maybe?) and hastily trying it out, I then re-enabled it due to the aforementioned downside and have since forgotten about which option it specifically is.

The option to disable these things are there, but it comes with a catch. Until they either remove the damn things or completely overhaul them, they will likely remain a persistent issue, like quite a few things in Eve that should still be an issue (POS and Drone UI anyone?).

Btw, with my rig, I don't loose any fps really, but my card does see a rather sudden and hefty heat spike.

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Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#17 - 2014-11-14 20:06:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Generic Clouds are holding back the visuals of EVE

The title pretty much says it all.


OP would prefer paying more for brand-name clouds.








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ISD Alliance
#18 - 2014-11-14 20:26:54 UTC
Moving this from General Discussion to Features and Ideas.

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Serene Repose
#19 - 2014-11-14 20:46:01 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
If you're still counting FPS get a real computer. Those of us using 21st Century technology see no problem here.

It's not really about FPS.
If you don't think that the clouds look really bad in contrast to the rest of the game environment, then you're probably running on low, and it's easy to see why you would see no problem in that case.

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-11-14 20:48:06 UTC
FFS yes make them optional without removing useful effects. Playing on a Laptop is hard enough at the best of times.

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