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We need an Anti-Drone Module
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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-11-12 01:16:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
Not a terrible idea but it should not be one size fits all. The module should be tiered small/medium/large to correspond to drone sizes, using more capacitor for each level.

But like others have mentioned, the issue is probably more about unbalanced drone boats than unbalanced drones.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#22 - 2014-11-12 03:34:32 UTC
Based on the specs of that module it would be no better than a smart bomb or shooting drones anyway.

It would take out 5 drones in 25 seconds but only for 10 seconds each so you would have 2.5 effective drones and they could pop and reconnect to drones to counter it anyway. You can't counter dead drones, once they are all dead thats it.

Also the 5km range is not much better than a medium smart bomb and can't effect sentries which is one of the bigger problems.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#23 - 2014-11-12 05:02:18 UTC
Also going to have to lend my NO to this.

Drones are not OP; certain drone boats are in need of a nerf.
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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#24 - 2014-11-12 07:02:37 UTC
Not that they need a buff, but could have Damps reduce drone control range as well.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#25 - 2014-11-12 07:44:23 UTC
has he not heard of a smart bomb?

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#26 - 2014-11-12 08:15:17 UTC
The thing about smart bombs is that they suck in anything less that a battleship. Also they require a high slot, power grid, cpu and cap. Drones require none of these things.

Autos where nerfed because they don't use cap, and well to "balance" that they need to suck more apparently. But drones that use no power grid, cpu or cap and are quite immune to ewar gets buffs.

Of course this is mostly about the bonuses ships. Well its mostly about Ishtars that have a massive bonus and drone bay. The worm is a bit crazy as well.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2014-11-12 09:30:19 UTC
You also have to be fairly stupid to use one in high sec.

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Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#28 - 2014-11-12 09:51:21 UTC
Anti drone missiles maybe?
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#29 - 2014-11-13 10:53:25 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Anti drone missiles maybe?


Missiles would be restricted to missile boats which I wanted to avoid. We have a lot of ships with a "spare" high slot for which I just wanted to give another use while solving the "drone problem" at the same time :-)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2014-11-13 11:43:53 UTC
Which drone problem?

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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-11-13 12:56:07 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
you can shoot them and you can kill them with smartbombs. drones are NOT overpowered some ships (read ishtar) MAY make them OP


Yeah i can fit 8 Blaster/Railguns/Autocannons on a ship and switch those instantly. Oh wait i can´t mmh do dumb.

Drohnes themselves are not OP but Sentry´s should only be useable by Battleships or reduce the "drohne bay of the ishtar" so you can´t take 3 full sets of sentrys with you. Drohnes need an effective counter and i can´t see something like this at the moment.

+1
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#32 - 2014-11-13 14:17:32 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Ellendras Silver wrote:
you can shoot them and you can kill them with smartbombs. drones are NOT overpowered some ships (read ishtar) MAY make them OP


Yeah i can fit 8 Blaster/Railguns/Autocannons on a ship and switch those instantly. Oh wait i can´t mmh do dumb.

Drohnes themselves are not OP but Sentry´s should only be useable by Battleships or reduce the "drohne bay of the ishtar" so you can´t take 3 full sets of sentrys with you. Drohnes need an effective counter and i can´t see something like this at the moment.

+1


I've advocated this as a fix.

Change the bandwidth of heavy drones to 20 (down from 25)

Change the bandwidth of the Ishtar and navy vexor from 125 to 100.

Both ships keep their exact Dps when using heavy drones, but lose 20% of their Dps when using sentries (can now only deploy 4 sentries and not 5). Also buffs a few other droneboats in regards to heavy drones (prophecy, proteus, vexor, myrmidon, etc).

Probably the easiest and most straight forward fix. Yes it nerfs the Ishtar but only in the sentry drone department, as it would do the exact Dps it does now with heavies as it did before.

Yaay!!!!
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#33 - 2014-11-13 15:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Delt0r Garsk
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
You also have to be fairly stupid to use one in high sec.

And yet i do often use them in highsec for the lutz. :D

I don't think i am stupid ;)

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Iain Cariaba
#34 - 2014-11-13 17:31:12 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Anti drone missiles maybe?

They have these already. They're called rockets and light missiles.
Jake Shifter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-11-13 20:40:55 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
Well, there are allready plenty of weapon systems that you can use to get rid of drones: Rockets, Light missiles, Blasters, Railguns, Autocannons, other Drones, etc. Just lock the drone and start shooting at it. And use a web. Or use smartbombs.

If you want a specialized module, which we don't need in my opinion, i would suggest to change the useless Defender-Missiles into something like that?

If you're talking about Sentry-Drones, which are still the most unbalanced among all drones, why not just let tracking Disruptors used on the Ship that controls them affect the drones too.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-11-13 20:47:20 UTC
Drones have always been OP. They need worse stats for tracking and damage output, that's all. Changing the Ishtar with nerf won't solve the core issue even though everyone thinks it will solve something. We don't need an A-D module on our already precious limited slot layout for frigs and such. We need drones to stop being imba.

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Lister Vindaloo
5 Tons of Flax
#37 - 2014-11-13 21:46:39 UTC
Your module just sounds like you are reinventing the smart bomb in a more convenient package that does exactly what you want? How about adapting your tactics against drone boats?
I could be convinced that repurposing defender missiles may work, at least then you would have to pick between ganking my hull or my drones, eve should be a game of choices, with no best option, just lots of options
Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#38 - 2014-11-13 22:04:14 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Bl1SkR1N wrote:
Anti drone missiles maybe?

They have these already. They're called rockets and light missiles.


Yes in 2vs2 fights, in blob warfare it's not much use with all those drones on grid. I was more thinking about something like defender missiles(except that they would work). You activate launchers and missiles would seek out nearest drones, have some special bonus for it. Having couple of these ships in fleet would serve similiar purpose as firewalls against missiles.

Another idea...you can track disrupt guns, firewall missiles but you can't do much about drones. There could be some different kind of ewar focused on drones, they would lower bandwith of targeted ship so it would lose control of one drone for example.

Just brainstorming :D
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#39 - 2014-11-14 05:46:57 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Drones have always been OP. They need worse stats for tracking and damage output, that's all. Changing the Ishtar with nerf won't solve the core issue even though everyone thinks it will solve something. We don't need an A-D module on our already precious limited slot layout for frigs and such. We need drones to stop being imba.


No way in hell. Drones and drones ships are finally getting to the point where they are a reasonable alternative for a lot of PvE activities so I say to you folks and CCP you need to find other alternatives to solving whatever perceived drone issues there are in PvP, things other than nerfing the drones.
The Ishtar on the other hand, even I admit that it needs to be looked at again although I have no idea what should be done. I do on the other hand have something that should not be touched and that is the bandwidth. That and the volume of the drones needs to stay the same Changing them to ease the Ishtar problem could create more problems with ships like the Domi and Rattlesanke.

Looking at the OP I wonder how such a thing is going to help.
At 5km it's range is to short to help with the Ishtar-sentry combination and that is the drone combo that has everyone's tongues wagging in the wind at the moment. So based on this I say -1.

Looking at the drones vs other ships within a specific class the drones ships are usually a little shorter on DPS and tank compared to their counter parts using guns or missiles/rockets and in my mind that is how it should be as the drones do give you some advantages. However if the OP is being "melted" before he can even lock targets then I see a whole lot of player related problems going on that we should address BEFORE we start to work on nerfs to the drones ships, things like these.

How did he get to a position where he has you locked and is shooting at you before you have a target lock on him or his drones?

Based on personal experiences I would say that if you are being "melted" before you can lock him or his drones then he flat beat you and you deserve to die and would die no matter what ship he was flying.

Maybe no one ever taught you the basic rule of fighting drones, screw the ship shoot the damn drones.

It sounds to me like your picker is broken, in other words you are picking fights you should be flying away from.

Or as they would say in wrestling you are jumping weight classes, taking on an Ishkur in tech 1 or faction frigate. Or perhaps thinking you can win against a Vex or Ishtar in your frigate. All of these could spell the quick and bloody end to your activities if you are not really a. careful b. lucky.

Needless to say before I would even consider supporting an idea like this I would want to know a whole lot more about the fights you are loosing, what the situations were and what if any off grid activities you may have suspected was going on.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#40 - 2014-11-14 13:32:26 UTC
Lister Vindaloo wrote:
Your module just sounds like you are reinventing the smart bomb in a more convenient package that does exactly what you want? How about adapting your tactics against drone boats?
I could be convinced that repurposing defender missiles may work, at least then you would have to pick between ganking my hull or my drones, eve should be a game of choices, with no best option, just lots of options


1. Please show me how smart bombs work well against drones on frigates or cruisers. And then please do this in low-sec or high-sec in a faction warfare environment.

2. Currently the generic best choice in eve for faction warfare PVP is a drone platform... high-dps output, flexible damage, hard to counter with electronic warfare and you can choose of using high-slots for even more damage or neutralizers. This mainly happened with the introduction of drone damage amplifier modules... now I just request a proper counter module.