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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#121 - 2014-11-13 16:19:24 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Thera will NOT be the next Jita, it won't even be the next Dodixie or Rens. It will most likely end up being the next Rancer.

No one is going to jump bulk amounts of goods into a system where they can be killed at will. Capitals aren't allowed so you can't even do it with some sneaky cyno tactics. While there may be no static gates, considering it takes a good prober under a minutes to find a wormhole entrance/exit, they're will still be bubbles out the wahzoo on all exits. Thera is just going to turn into a massive battleground, probably between the big coalitions. Whoever controls that system would have a hub that exits to all corners of the galaxy and would thus be the most important strategic system in the entire EVE universe. It would also be one of the most valuable systems in the EVE universe simply due to the amount of content it would create. No more looking for a fight, there will be gangs from all over coming in to cause trouble, all the time. Single serving fights at a moments notice.

Thera is going to be the PVP arena of EVE, not the new market arena.

To be fair, they did not simply say "Thera will be the next Jita".
They said "Thera will be like Jita without Concord, a major hub for those of a more lawless disposition".
Commerce and manufacturing are implied with their emphasis on including all of the necessary facilities, as well as the game mechanics of the system making it much more difficult than normal to lock it down. But they at no point implied that it would be just like Jita in all ways, only in as far as it's capabilities and level of activity is concerned.

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Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-11-13 16:24:59 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Thera is going to be the PVP arena of EVE, not the new market arena.


The PVP arena of EVE is all of EVE. Nobody needs a named wormhole system for that.



Also I love your name. It gave me a nice giggle.

Call me Joe.
Lakshata Chawla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2014-11-13 16:32:46 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?


Im not seeing the difference...
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2014-11-13 16:36:02 UTC
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?


Im not seeing the difference...

Roll

there's is a very very very small level of gankage in Jita. Made louder by disproportionatly loud complaints of victims.

It's roughly 99% odds of not being ganked, if you're not afk.

Compared to entering a 0.0 hub-ish system with the reverse.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#125 - 2014-11-13 17:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Cypher Decypher
Burl en Daire wrote:
...
I have all scanning skills maxed and mid virtues so I do pretty well at scanning so yes, even in 100+ AU systems scanning can be done quickly. 500+ systems will still be tough.



Sure - but you're making an assumption that within Thera they're keeping the "spawn within 8AU of a planet" rule. CCP could easily triple that or even spawn holes anywhere in-system - in which case even with 8 x 32AU probes at minimal overlap in a 200AU diameter system, you'll need at least half a dozen preliminary scans just to cover the full area.

The point is we don't know what mechanics CCP have adjusted - or indeed are keeping up their sleeve. What's pretty certain is that it will be a sandox within a sandbox, and CCP will be tweaking it to make it work. And as I see it, that will be led by finding the right balance between risk and reward for industrialists as well as the envisaged oasis of lawlessness and derring-do.
Anslo
Scope Works
#126 - 2014-11-13 17:32:42 UTC
Frig/dessie only holes.

Yes.

**** yes.

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Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#127 - 2014-11-13 17:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Starrakatt
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#128 - 2014-11-13 18:04:36 UTC
And with all the currently interesting lore entries pointing at it Thera is getting more interesting by the day
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#129 - 2014-11-13 21:13:24 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Thera Dev Blog is out: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/thera-and-the-shattered-wormholes/?_ga=1.47709351.1268328153.1415655716


342+ AU system, 4 SoE stations, interesting times are coming to us. Smile

Thanks for that. These things always happen while I'm at work. Cry

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#130 - 2014-11-13 21:39:47 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Since we are about to have a new type of space introduced to New Eden, and THERA is poised to be the largest and most important system in that new type of space, who is going to be moving there on a permanent or part time basis?

Perhaps more importantly, who is going to try and control it, if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Edit:
It occurs to me that some people may not be up to speed on this, you can find a run down on what we know (and don't know) about Thera here.


If I were going, I wouldn't tell everyone on the forums.

As for jita without concord...

er no...

It won't be.

At best it will become a diplomatic outpost and meeting place for the elite scum of the cluster.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-11-13 21:40:46 UTC
Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:

Four NPC stations

K162 connections that can connect it to W-space

Freighters will be able to squeeze in

The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.

Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.

The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#132 - 2014-11-13 21:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:

Four NPC stations

K162 connections that can connect it to W-space

Freighters will be able to squeeze in

The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.

Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.

The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.


Everything is pretty much as I thought it might be with one exception, I'm concerned that there are only 4 NPC stations there. Granted they are extremely far apart, but still 4 stations can be locked down by for coordinating teams. They just won't be able to back each other up quickly.
And if those 4 stations can be locked down even temporarily by heavy interdictors, thats going to create a rather large problem for a lot of the people that would like to manufacture there.

Well, that and they may have changed their mind about a system wide effect.... or simply want to bring it in a bit later as part of a storyline event.

Hmm, I wonder if this is going to affect the availability of SOE ships.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#133 - 2014-11-13 21:55:00 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Since we are about to have a new type of space introduced to New Eden, and THERA is poised to be the largest and most important system in that new type of space, who is going to be moving there on a permanent or part time basis?

Perhaps more importantly, who is going to try and control it, if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Edit:
It occurs to me that some people may not be up to speed on this, you can find a run down on what we know (and don't know) about Thera here.


If I were going, I wouldn't tell everyone on the forums.

As for jita without concord...

er no...

It won't be.

At best it will become a diplomatic outpost and meeting place for the elite scum of the cluster.

Possibly, but I think the activity levels in there will be a bit beyond what I would consider an "outpost", and that sounds pretty much exactly like what a Jita without Concord would be like. Smile

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Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2014-11-13 22:20:34 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Interesting Link, here are the new confirmed I learned:

Four NPC stations

K162 connections that can connect it to W-space

Freighters will be able to squeeze in

The stations are spread between three different planets at the edges of the system and warps between them can be up to 342 AU.

Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.

The Thera system is colonized by a research expedition organized by The Sanctuary corporation, and more information about their presence in Thera will be revealed bit by bit in the future.


Everything is pretty much as I thought it might be with one exception, I'm concerned that there are only 4 NPC stations there. Granted they are extremely far apart, but still 4 stations can be locked down by for coordinating teams. They just won't be able to back each other up quickly.
And if those 4 stations can be locked down even temporarily by heavy interdictors, thats going to create a rather large problem for a lot of the people that would like to manufacture there.

Well, that and they may have changed their mind about a system wide effect.... or simply want to bring it in a bit later as part of a storyline event.

Hmm, I wonder if this is going to affect the availability of SOE ships.


I was hoping there would be 8+ stations. 30-40 pilots on each station with bigger support fleets hanging out in the middle of the system might be enough to lock it down.

If I was still heavy into manufacture, I'd aim to have 200 plus interdictors ready to sell in those stations.
Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#135 - 2014-11-13 22:25:19 UTC
Just to clarify, as it seems there are some misconceptions here regarding cynos in WHs.

You CAN light and use both regular and covert cynos in WHs.

You cannot jump to a cyno in a WH from another system, so a cyno lit in Thera will only be useable if both you and the cyno are within the Thera system.
Paranoid Loyd
#136 - 2014-11-13 22:26:04 UTC
I kinda felt like this came out of nowhere when I read it, makes plenty of sense now.

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Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#137 - 2014-11-13 22:27:22 UTC
yes yes very nice.. new space... I want the Raven model on the table!!!




I like Battleships.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#138 - 2014-11-13 22:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
It'll be the only trade hum more poorly stocked than Rens.
Paranoid Loyd
#139 - 2014-11-13 22:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
It'll be the only trade hum more poorly stocked than Rebs.

Lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYKVNT-VWA

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Fix the Prospect!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#140 - 2014-11-13 23:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
LOL

Here is what we call a "disconnect" in perception:

Quote:
Anchored warp disruption bubbles will not be usable within Thera, although interdictor and heavy interdictor bubbles work normally.



Then:

Quote:
As always, we know that our players will take EVE’s new features in creative directions that we at CCP can never fully foresee...



Uh.... Hello?

I'll take gankfest for 400.


I'm more interested in the "events" they speak of. I hope they are un-planned unscheduled live events like what was done for the Incursions. If it's more " OK here is what's going to happen at this exact time so everybody and their brother get ready!" then that too will be meh.

Skill que at 138 days...

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