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I think you can forgot this eventuality cause as far as I know there isn't a single game able to handle colour management...

But maybe I'm wrong (I doubt it)...



The flop hasn't anything to do with flat design but with the overall ergonomy of the OS (which isn't that bad (I think it's even the opposite) in fact, when people just try it for a little more long time than 2 or 3 days...)...

Flat design isn't a Microsoft or an Apple thing, as others said...
It is just a general return to simplicity and shapes efficient use in the whole actual "graphic design world"...
It fits perfectly what "modernity" is all about and I can assure you well designed flat icons (which isn't the case of the ones on SiSi actually, THAT is true) with eventually a colored background (or just one additial color per icon) are a lot more ergonomic and easier to remember, objectivly...

It's maybe hard to believe or to understand because we are all used to the old icons, but this is just because of that and because we didn't get a decent new set proposition, nothing else...

"3D" glossy 2D icons, THAT is old fashioned...

But, just to be clear:
Actually, if you ask me to choose between the old icons and the new ones, I choose the old ones...
Seriously CCP, trash all these new icons and start from scratch again, these aren't good at all...

Nah, any and all touch screen UI's which expect you to be able to move your pointer off-screen to do a "swipe from side" is garbage unless it's deployed only on touch-screen enabled evices.

Shapes in general are easy to quickly recognize, but the problem here is that multiple functions have equal shape (a box). It doesn't matter if it contains a line at the side or small smudges on the edges, they're still boxes and will be equal when looking at them quickly. I'd be positively surprised if the icons got a slight hue, not pastel colours but you most likely know what I mean.

I have to agree with the old icons being significantly better, not due to their shape but due to their colour. In the oder I've set them up, I've got high contrast between previous and next icon so I can search for the correct window to open first in the general quarter, then just poke the correct colour. If I did have journal, contracts, corp deliveries and browser bookmarks all lined up next to each other instead of spread around, I'd be wasting time by trying to differentiate between 4 brown boxes.

A feedback ?

Not bad, and I wonder how it will become at the end, but some of your modifications are simply the worst UI changes that you could possibly do :

The color themes

What you did is to make sure that everyone will get a dark theme, whatever they like it or not, by removing all ways to make our own choice. We have now a predefined selection of themes with darkness in mind, with zero possibility to make a new one more convenient for the user if he want it.

I mean, I use this kind of colors : http://i.imgur.com/vPCSLoM.jpg

You don't probably like them, but they are really good for me and so the UI is pleasant to use on a daily basis. Tell me how to have the same one with your new UI ? Yes, I hate dark themes, and you won't be able to make me adapt about that.

Give us back the old RGB sliders and dropdowns, while keeping the new themes. It is always better to give us options.

Transparent neocom, really ?

No, seriously, I hate it. The neocom is now horrible to see when you have some chat windows sticked on his border. It is tolerable only if the chat windows are transparent too, but I don't want them like that because it make the text more difficult to read.

I also do hope that the transparency of the right-click menu is an error and that it will be corrected, as it is now barely readable depending of what is behind (try above a nebula, or the market window...).

Tab buttons effect while hovering, modern ?

Most of the new icons are good and I didn't check everything, but the tab button effect when you hover one (the light coming from the center of the button)... Seriously, I thought I came back to 1999 and I am not even joking, because it made me remember some programs and games of this era, and it was already ugly at this time.

Well, in short :

Give us options.

Give us options.

GIVE US OPTIONS (like you did with the sounds, it was a great move)

I know that you hate adding options but please, PLEASE, at least for the colors and opacity... Because right now, the old "operating system" UI is better, even if there is some good thing on the new one... The UI is a serious matter and you can't please everybody with only one set of decisions whatever the time you thought about it to make it right. It is better to play safe and give options to permit everyone to adapt the UI to their needs.

Hello,

Serious suggestions:

1) Please make the color scheme using bold colors rather than pastels or light colors. Some of us are color-blind.

I have a really hard time, for example, telling light red and light green apart. If the item is a fine line or small item, like the colors in the local window behind the Star or + or -, I can't tell them apart unless they are side by side. The new colors on the Anomalies and on the compass ring around the hud - red green - I can't see the difference in them.

pastels or light shades, especially on small icons or items, are difficult. Bold colors are much better.

2) Keep the font size big enough for our old tired eyes - some of us are not teenagers anymore, sadly. :-)

Font Size can also be an issue for those of us old farts with bad eyes. A couple of years ago, the clock changed and got much smaller. Even with bifocal lenses and using hte largest font EVE allows, I have a hard time reading the clock without getting really close to the screen.

Obviously sizing determines how much real estate is consumed.

3) Given the font size issue, keep the total size needed as small as possible - anything that takes up screen real estate constricts the actual size we have for seeing wht is going on. I use a 24 inch monitor at 1920X1080, and with all the commo screeens, overview, cargo hold, hud, targets, etc, there is very little room left over in the middle. Anything you can do here is helpful.

FOR example: in overview, look at customs offices. They have an icon, then the name says Customs office - planet x - moon y, or it might say Interbus Customs office,etc. The IMPORTANT information is the location, not that its a customs office - the icon tells us that ( as does the TYPE column), but to see the location, we have to EXPAND the column in hte overview, and make the overview wider to see the type (Customs Office) etc. This takes up more real estate than necessary. Titles should have important things first so we can minimize the column widths and leave more room in the center to see what we are doing.

4) Anything displayed, like the messages that say "aligning" or "keeping range" should be MOVABLE. I set my target display directly above the HUD, and these messages will not go away and cannot be moved, so they overlap and interfere.

The timers, especially now with all the jump and fatigue and aggression and docking timers need to be movable.I keep a LARGE comm window in that corner - If I could move the timers and the system info block somewhere else it would be better, as that block is much smaller, is easily seen though, where the commos blcok is not easily made smaller without deleting channels.

The messages showing the damage inflicted and recieved sometimes is hidden by fleet windows, local windows, etc. Even this could be movable, so we can se the good info - again it is smaller than a comms or fleet window, and more seasily seen through.



Bottom line - please remember those of us who are color blind to small degrees, those of us who are older with tired eyes, and then give us the tools to configure and move ALL information on the screen to fit our monitors and taste.


Thanks for taking this into consideration with the new changes!

Who the hell cares about schoolars and rednecks? They cannot understand the mind of buttons and hints, they cannot translate anything, the play russian client. Even now the game becomes ******* casual and rolls from playable to ****. Do you remember when they did walking in stations? But left old ******* 2D door texture for those who wants to do it in old style. And they did not want to fix anything till the wave of **** reached Iceland. Let'em make any **** they want for those who eat it with big spoons. But don't touch playable game tips! And even more: why rework ****** icons of GUI? These work fine!

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Ну а какая к черту разница сколько школяров и прочего быдла не способная разобраться в кнопках и надписях у которых с инглиша нету и быть не может нормального перевода на русский язык? Сейчас игру казуалят как хрен знает чего, и она превращается из играбельной в говнище. Вспомните когда хождение по станкам запилили, а тем кто хочет по старому 2Д хреновую текстурку двери. И ничего исправлять не собирались пока гавновсплеск на форуме не достиг Исландии. Пусть пилят какое угодно дерьмо для тех кто ест его черпаками, но оставьте рабочие фишки игры. И вообще зачем перерабатывать сраные значки и интерфейс если этот работает на высочайшем уровне?

http://forum.eve-ru.com/index.php?showtopic=111739&page=17#entry2862544

Iam in rage but CCP take my UI and don't give me chose.

http://i.imgur.com/a5ppGAD.gif

#modernity #metro #allaboutthetypography

whoever introduced this design trend that spawned windows 8 and now crops up everywhere should go to hell and die in a fire (ingame).

Whoever designed these new icons can you kindly remind them that this isn't the "U.S. Bureau of the Census" kThx

Obviously its a work in progress but after some tweaking I quite liked it generally (the black scheme with transparency adjusted actually looks really good) a few areas where there was as loss of visibility of important information due to clashes of colours and the icons were a bit hit and miss - some were immediately apparent what they did but others I would never have guessed until I'd clicked them.

POST SINGULARITY UPDATE FEEDBACK

Transparency slider
Very welcome because essential.
We can finally set almost fully opaque windows again.
I think however we should have independant transparency sliders for both pinned and unpinned windows.

Corner brackets
The new thinner corner brackets are better but still useless, ugly and distracting.
You should really remove them completely.
They don't add anything, neither aesthetically nor on an usefulness purpose.
Simple is better!

Dynamic transparency on active window
Remove this completely, or give us an option to disable it.
It is distracting and often gives the impression to be working randomly, even if this isn't the case.
It is also totally useless, clearly.
Simple is better!

Blurred transparency
If you aren't going to remove it, give us an (exclusive (not tied to graphic settings)) option to disable it.
As already said, with blur, transparency is now simply useless as we can't see what is behind the windows.

Text fields (search boxes, ...) borders, tabs borders and highlights (hover, selected, ...)
Stop using gradients.
This is aesthetically disgusting, confusing, unclear and/or makes texts hard to read or unreadable.
Simple is better!

Grey tones used in windows frame backgrounds
Use one or two different tones for backgrounds, not more like presently.
This is inconsistent, disturbing and gives the impression of an untidy user interface.
Simple is better!

Inventory left column
Remove the black to grey gradient background.
Same reasons as above.
Simple is better!

Gradients in general
Do you know what we say about gradients in graphic design world?
They are aesthetically degrading, try to not use them when unnecessary.
Simple is better!

Flat design icons
I still really think you should keep going with flat design, but you also really should start again from scratch and rethink them all.
Discuss them in groups, talk about design ideas before even starting realising them, and submit then the design to us once you think it's done before wasting your time integrating them in the game.
You should maybe also consider grouping (on paper at least I mean) them by function (financial, social, inventories, ...) and add one secondary single color per group of icons.
This last suggestion would make everybody happy I think.

HUD module background round icons and HUD left icons
Redesign them.
Make them simple transparent rounds.
Simple is better!

HUD
Redesign it?
Flat design for the main elements (capacitor, hull, armor, shields, ...)?
Maybe, don't know...

Station dock and undock buttons
You need to redesign them too.
They don't fit well at all with other icons anymore.

Icons in general
Unify their use in all the windows.
Consistency is better!

In general and to resume
Make things simpler graphically.
Give us options.

And remember: simple is better!


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I forgot one thing:

Corp logos
THAT needs some refresh!
Probably the most old and ugly part of the whole game visuals...

CCP, you ask for feedback, well here is mine.

This new UI is BAD and you should feel bad.
I can get used to some of it, but the forced transparency is almost enough to make me to unsub. Why even keep the pin option when everything is transparent anyway? and I can't read **** with it looking the way it is on SiSi right now. At the very least have an option to turn off or alter the level of transparency and blur of the windows (the blur is another thing I find utterly painful to look at). I can understand you guys wanting to make the pretty lights of New Eden always visible, but I for one don't like being distracted from my market/fitting/inventory/what-have-you by the blinking light on the wall of the station going off every five seconds. And having the windows transparency change when its selected is really annoying, it'd be better if it were one level of clarity (or preferably non clarity) when its selected and not selected.


You've got my feedback now.
Hope it helps,

~Morian

TL;DR: Forced change on a dramatic scale without user customization is BAD. Add more sliders.