Missions & Complexes

Tehee.

CCP forgot to check butan 'ban tengu'?


It's interesting how much attention this gets, shows a lot. IMO they werent banned because of lots of ehp or attack (i bet you can beat tengus in a ded4 with a suiteable HAC/pirate cruiser) - but the combination of (back then hugely abused) DSPs and good combat ability.

DSPs are no longer the case, nor really is any other form of sig band filtering with the ease of scanning now. So why not allow them in again?

As a lowsec inhabitant i was pretty okay with them not getting in. Kept out a lot of competition (they only hunted for 5 or 6).

I think the variety of what could go in which site was okay. The change back was unnecessary.

Tengu is really ineffective in Hisec (never used other T3s). Lots of frigate size rats - medium lanuchers are really bad idea to fight them, even elite cruisers are ungrateful targets (no drone bay). There are no necessity for scanning subsystem, sisters are all that you need on non explorer hull, like HACs or pirate hulls. I have no idea how the rest of T3 are in hisec sites but you can find way much better ships for the job than tengu.
As for low sec: i took my tengu with covert subsystem (for cloak) to last escalation pocket there. Even more ineffective ship. Covert adds only RoF, 4 lanuchers, not T2 ver. but still, dps was anemic (fit was passive tanked with one TP, faction missiles against elite frigs, some elite cruisers, 1 BS).

Tank could be great and that may the the reason to ban them. Ppl would just go for triggers and loot overseers.

So the question remains :

Are T3 Cruisers now allowed to access DED 4/10 sites?



DMC

2 days ago i have warped into a GSO in a tengu and had no problems warping in. T3´s can access 4/10s

It wouldn't be just a specific racial version of T3 Cruiser. It would apply to all T3 Cruisers.

So it now seems CCP did a stealth change to the game mechanics allowing T3 Cruiser's to access DED 4/10 sites.

Gonna have to check this out in-game.



DMC

It was me i remember your name but it was just a 10mil drop anyway :D i tested if t3´s can enter 4/10s that day.
They can, BUT imo my Gila or probably any other Pirate Cruiser or HAC completes it faster.
With 4 rapid light missile launchers on my gila and 7 on my tengu, the gila is still faster because of the drone bonus.
I just tried it in a T3 to clarify it for myself.
In Highsec i will totally stick to my Gila. In Lowsec however, i will do the 4/10´s in a T3 because of cloaky advantages.

Regards,
Lasius

You can simply get a HAC like the Cerberus....or Better Sacrilege from amarr...Check my fitting (402 Dps,21kehp,44% stable,600 speed).This ship can do ALL Hs anoms and some of the low sec ones very easy.You don't really need a t3.I got a tengu and a legion but i chose this.The Sacrilege is better than the Cerberus because it can put scan mods on mid.Cerberus can't because it has the resists there.

[Sacrilege, 1]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Scan Pinpointing Array I
Scan Rangefinding Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Just been reading the Rhea patch notes and found this bit:


PvE:

Some 4/10 exploration sites have had their gate access corrected to prevent entry by Strategic Cruisers.

Shhh, they will ban pirate ships also, and then sentry stratioses, because of new pilots right, CCP? T3 are obviously OP in there...

Seems T3's got lucky being able to enter 4/10 sites for a couple of weeks, more or less due to a bug.

But as usual, all good things must come to an end.



DMC