Player Features and Ideas Discussion

BUMP

I think the AAR is fine as it is. The ASB doesn´t rep more than a normal Shield Booster but the AAR reps more than a normal Armor Repair. If you were able to fit more of them, then your active tank would get way to strong, especially when used on a ship with a bonus to active repping.

But I´m not against a small buff of the reload, especially on the small one. If you look an a graph you´ll see that the small one is barely justified because of it long reload compared to its cicle time
http://i.imgur.com/RoF5Aj4.jpg

And unlike an Ancillary shield mod it uses cap, most notably.

like I said the ability to fit more of these would nice" I am an extremely jealous Amarr pilot who looks at a ancillary shield booster with certain distain.

No sir its not fine atm we armor pilots must be on the same playing field as the shield pilots when it comes to solo.

No!

You do not want a tech2 version because moon-poo sec is just looking for more stuff that need moon-poo to build. Did you ever wonder who actually does pay the sov bills and whatnot nullsec lawyers are whining about?

The ASB does rep more than its counterparts in the same size category.

However some pointers that show the difference between the two. Different strengths and different playstyles.

- ASB can fit as many as needed at once
- ASB uses cap boosters while AAR uses cap, however part of the reasoning behind this is a ship with AAR could fit cap boosters at the same time to cover the cap cost, and often have extra cap from booster compared to how the AAR uses (depends on which charges you use. Cap booster does not effect overall armor tank of ship similar to ASB.
- shield mods are more cpu intensive than armor while armor are more power hungry than shield, so it comes down to the weapons you are using
- its hard to compare the amount of hp repped to size, since the medium shield reppers repair less, but large ones can repair more. in some circumstances AAR repairs as much as the up-sized shield equivalent (non-ancillary). 1 med AAR repairs about as much as 1 large T2 shield booster.
- ASB benefits from shield boost amps and no rigs, while armor has no module and a rig.

The hardest thing to compare is the difference in module sizes.
For instance, basic stats on T2 shield and armor repairers:
Med shield - 104
Large shield - 276
Med armor - 368
Large armor - 920
X-large shield - 1050

So there is also a huge imbalance between different the biggest shield and armor mods and their next lowest counterpart. All things considered both lines are due a rebalance due to their haphazrd patterns and no clear lineage.

So essentially they're all imbalanced.

Cycle times are one extremely important thing to consider, it can mean the difference between life and death in a PvP situation. Even if you have insane rep amounts it wont mean anything if you cant cycle in time to save your armor.

Plus with only one AAR compared to two ASB. The two ASB will always be better than the one. Putting two ASB allows you to cover the gaps in time to rep your self. Essentially you cover your weak time holes faster with two rep mods.

I was having difficulty deciding whether or not to include skills into that equation. for example the large modules.

Large shield 69hp/s (no skills to sffect) 36GJ/s
Large Armor 81.8hp/s (repair systems V) 36GJ/s
Large armor 61hp/s (no skills) 26GJ/s

theres a lot more in play than just base stats, but you can still see how out of whack their differences are. There is no healthy reference point.

And then there is buffer vs. active
Capless EANM vs. overheating AIF
Oversized buffer mods vs. oversized repair mods
Rep a begining of cycle vs. end of cycle

Many of these things have to do with gameplay styles how how they fit. Different tradeoffs between the modules and similar.

Yes the two ASB are better than 1, and why should they be? Shield is the premier burst tanking mod, however it requires 2 of them to outclass the armor mod?

For reference:
LASB 98hp/s
LAAR 138hp/s (+29% Compared to LASB)
2xLASB 196hp/s (+30% compared to LAAR)

So double fitting the module gives you a 30% bonus? Sacrificing that fitting room and slots to get the advantage shield is supposed to have?

Now lets look at the XLASB vs. LAAR
LAAR 138hp/s
XLASB 196hp/s (+30% same as 2xLASB)

Also of note, the common LAAR+LAR combo with 219hp/s

So you fit two XLASB on your BS to take advantage of this. Now unless you are flying caldari, you have sacrificed a serious amount of cpu, in exchange. Same with armor mods, eating your PG, but extremely easy on the CPU.

If anything, the shield modules need to be brought up to proper snuff (or beaten down into the lower class), while increasing their fitting costs and capacitor use, and filling in the bottom with a proper small or filling in the top with a proper oversized module. Their are plenty of arguments between armor and shield tradeoffs, but it still boils down to which size do you compare it too? is a LAAR compared to a LASB or a XLASB? One is supposedly for large class while the other is supposed for the same class. If the XLSBs are not the oversized module we thought they were then what is?

It boggles the mind as to why this module came pre-nerfed in several ways, but the other approximate shield module does not have any analogous weaknesses.

wasn't it CCP said then they released the aar that they weren't going to make the same as the asb cause the asb being capless was bad.