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Ching Chong LingSong
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-11-11 12:55:46 UTC
Hello,

Looking for tips on how to make money as a hauler.

1) I do know about eve-central. I've seen people talk about the Contribtastic (or something) program. Tried installing and it didn't work for me. Looks to be out of date. Do people still use this program?

2) I have about 50 mil ISK to play with here. I don't want to try any 50-jump through null-sec drops. But at the same time, I'd like to add a little more risk than my current 5-10 jumps ; ). Any ideas on where to start looking for opportunities?

3) ?? Anything else? I've read through basic guides but I've found these forums to be a much more honest and up-to-date resource.
Talon Kane
ExeKrab
#2 - 2014-11-11 13:48:24 UTC
Here's a little trade I used to do.

Put a scanning alt into a decent market in a remote part of low\null sec (make sure you can dock in station if null sec).
Scan a wormhole that leads in empire - Haul some T2 modules and put sell orders in there.
Bring the scanning alt to another system - repeat process
Once in a while you can travel quickly to those systems and update market orders.
To do this with minimal loss, a scout and blockade runner are recommended.
To make this easier, join a corporation established in low\null sec.

I don't think it's the best way to do hauling\trading in EVE, but it sure is a fun way :)

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Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
#3 - 2014-11-11 18:31:01 UTC
One entry level hauling/trading business is buying and selling npc goods.
Buy electronic parts from an npc station, sell electronic parts at another npc station. Easy. And it teaches you the basics about the market and trade routes

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-11-11 18:33:28 UTC
im fairly certain that name is inappropriate
S1ckJ
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-11-12 00:14:54 UTC
Have you tried courier contracts?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2014-11-12 00:19:02 UTC
Lowest entry level for making money with hauling is using NPC buy and sell orders for trade goods.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-11-12 00:35:03 UTC
Clarify what you want to do. Courier contracts or moving items to a new market?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2014-11-12 00:36:49 UTC
there is an android app called the 'eve trade finder' that can help you find some trade routes

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2014-11-12 03:43:19 UTC
Ching Chong LingSong wrote:
Hello,

Looking for tips on how to make money as a hauler.

1) I do know about eve-central. I've seen people talk about the Contribtastic (or something) program. Tried installing and it didn't work for me. Looks to be out of date. Do people still use this program?

2) I have about 50 mil ISK to play with here. I don't want to try any 50-jump through null-sec drops. But at the same time, I'd like to add a little more risk than my current 5-10 jumps ; ). Any ideas on where to start looking for opportunities?

3) ?? Anything else? I've read through basic guides but I've found these forums to be a much more honest and up-to-date resource.


I find the lack of 'buy a permit' on this list to be disturbing... especially because its only 10mil isk.. and you claim to have 50mil...

Its takes money to makes money.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Nevil Oscillator
#10 - 2014-11-12 11:16:18 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Ching Chong LingSong wrote:
Hello,

Looking for tips on how to make money as a hauler.

1) I do know about eve-central. I've seen people talk about the Contribtastic (or something) program. Tried installing and it didn't work for me. Looks to be out of date. Do people still use this program?

2) I have about 50 mil ISK to play with here. I don't want to try any 50-jump through null-sec drops. But at the same time, I'd like to add a little more risk than my current 5-10 jumps ; ). Any ideas on where to start looking for opportunities?

3) ?? Anything else? I've read through basic guides but I've found these forums to be a much more honest and up-to-date resource.


I find the lack of 'buy a permit' on this list to be disturbing... especially because its only 10mil isk.. and you claim to have 50mil...

Its takes money to makes money.


Where do I get an FW permit ?
Serene Repose
#11 - 2014-11-12 13:45:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Ask what time it is, they tell you how to build a clock. The "solution" you're getting is, "Don't haul. Trade." The reason that is? Making significant (not extravagant) amounts of ISK hauling is pretty much a no-go early on. The primary reason for this is, you have to lay down a large sum to "secure" the load - contract collateral. If you've only got 50 million, you're not in the ballpark. (These are generally 1 billion ISK.)

Another important consideration, as in all EVE endeavors, is training of course. The likelihood of being trapped in a camp is lower than the EVE buzz's conventional wisdom seems to dictate. However, it happens. Having an established course of action that will succeed which you can suddenly throw into action takes know how, capability and practice. However, other skills simply have to do with maximizing cargo space and speed - if you view this in terms of ISK per hour.

The third significant factor I'll mention here (not pretending to cover the subject by any means) is the ever elusive trust factor. You would be literally entrusted with another player's livelihood, or worldly possessions. This isn't a step wise players take with someone they don't know. Established haulers, such as the most notable Red Frog, find their success through their known reputation. "Trust me..." Any sentence that starts with those words has a high magnitude of fail attached to it. Trust me.

You really have to be sure hauling is "your thing" for what goes into it, which in the end is mainly time and tedium. By the time you're adept enough to haul for the big contracts, the amounts of ISK involved aren't as large as they once might have seemed. (I think Red Frog will tell you their profits are largely in quantity - lots of somewhat profitable hauls, and not in quality - a fortune for occasional hauls.) There are certainly other, better methods to make ISK quickly. And, as I said to begin with, most of the solutions mentioned here involve trade, hauling being merely an appendage to buying and selling goods.

I might add, you'll see a lot of hauling contracts advertised in local, or available in your available contracts index. Bear in mind these are largely scams. They have you put down a "modest" (seeming) contract collateral. The haul is for relatively small amounts over a relatively small distance. Thing is...one of your waypoints will be in low sec - 0.4 will do. At this gate, you'll be ambushed. You'll lose your ship, default on your contract and lose your "modest" contract collateral as well. Should you choose to try one of these, do a "set destination". See if the route runs through a low sec system. Where it does. there's where you'll be hit.

There's a video on YouTube done by a guy who intentionally accepts contracts like these. He arranges a counter ambush with alts and a friend. He takes out the would be attacker, completes the haul. Gets the (usually) exorbitant payment, as well as the kill mail, loot and salvage. Mainly, he does it for fun and to say "In your eye!" to the would-be ganker. (The guy hauls for a prominent hauling corp as his regular job.)

Take it from a mothertrucker!

PS If you want a good list of what to train, look at Red Frog's application requirements.
They lay out the skill set quite well.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Steve Wingyip
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-12 18:38:13 UTC
Ching Chong LingSong wrote:
Hello,

Looking for tips on how to make money as a hauler.

1) I do know about eve-central. I've seen people talk about the Contribtastic (or something) program. Tried installing and it didn't work for me. Looks to be out of date. Do people still use this program?

2) I have about 50 mil ISK to play with here. I don't want to try any 50-jump through null-sec drops. But at the same time, I'd like to add a little more risk than my current 5-10 jumps ; ). Any ideas on where to start looking for opportunities?

3) ?? Anything else? I've read through basic guides but I've found these forums to be a much more honest and up-to-date resource.


Be careful of haul scams. People set a contract to go to a system that is camped to lure you to death. Just be careful and never pay too much upfront no matter what. :) That's my opinion. Good luck :)

The stars are like the trees in the forest, alive and breathing. And they're watching over me.

Ching Chong LingSong
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-11-12 18:55:16 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Ask what time it is, they tell you how to build a clock. The "solution" you're getting is, "Don't haul. Trade." The reason that is? Making significant (not extravagant) amounts of ISK hauling is pretty much a no-go early on. The primary reason for this is, you have to lay down a large sum to "secure" the load - contract collateral. If you've only got 50 million, you're not in the ballpark. (These are generally 1 billion ISK.)

Another important consideration, as in all EVE endeavors, is training of course. The likelihood of being trapped in a camp is lower than the EVE buzz's conventional wisdom seems to dictate. However, it happens. Having an established course of action that will succeed which you can suddenly throw into action takes know how, capability and practice. However, other skills simply have to do with maximizing cargo space and speed - if you view this in terms of ISK per hour.

The third significant factor I'll mention here (not pretending to cover the subject by any means) is the ever elusive trust factor. You would be literally entrusted with another player's livelihood, or worldly possessions. This isn't a step wise players take with someone they don't know. Established haulers, such as the most notable Red Frog, find their success through their known reputation. "Trust me..." Any sentence that starts with those words has a high magnitude of fail attached to it. Trust me.

You really have to be sure hauling is "your thing" for what goes into it, which in the end is mainly time and tedium. By the time you're adept enough to haul for the big contracts, the amounts of ISK involved aren't as large as they once might have seemed. (I think Red Frog will tell you their profits are largely in quantity - lots of somewhat profitable hauls, and not in quality - a fortune for occasional hauls.) There are certainly other, better methods to make ISK quickly. And, as I said to begin with, most of the solutions mentioned here involve trade, hauling being merely an appendage to buying and selling goods.

I might add, you'll see a lot of hauling contracts advertised in local, or available in your available contracts index. Bear in mind these are largely scams. They have you put down a "modest" (seeming) contract collateral. The haul is for relatively small amounts over a relatively small distance. Thing is...one of your waypoints will be in low sec - 0.4 will do. At this gate, you'll be ambushed. You'll lose your ship, default on your contract and lose your "modest" contract collateral as well. Should you choose to try one of these, do a "set destination". See if the route runs through a low sec system. Where it does. there's where you'll be hit.

There's a video on YouTube done by a guy who intentionally accepts contracts like these. He arranges a counter ambush with alts and a friend. He takes out the would be attacker, completes the haul. Gets the (usually) exorbitant payment, as well as the kill mail, loot and salvage. Mainly, he does it for fun and to say "In your eye!" to the would-be ganker. (The guy hauls for a prominent hauling corp as his regular job.)

Take it from a mothertrucker!

PS If you want a good list of what to train, look at Red Frog's application requirements.
They lay out the skill set quite well.


Thank you for laying it all out for me.

I really appreciate it. I think you've answered my questions.

So the idea behind "trading" is that you buy low in one system and "haul" the goods over to another system to sell higher. At least, that's my understanding thus far.

The contract hauling is the one full of scams and tricks. Is that correct?

Serene Repose
#14 - 2014-11-13 02:29:15 UTC
Ching Chong LingSong wrote:
Thank you for laying it all out for me.

I really appreciate it. I think you've answered my questions.

So the idea behind "trading" is that you buy low in one system and "haul" the goods over to another system to sell higher. At least, that's my understanding thus far.

The contract hauling is the one full of scams and tricks. Is that correct?
That is correct. However, bear in mind trade has its little scams working as well. A favorite is to take advantage of the fact that if certain trade skills are high enough, buyers doesn't have to have the stated amount of ISK in their wallets. Should that be the case the transaction will fail. What they do is put a buy and corresponding sell contract up. They'll sell a handful of items for a rather high price, but they'll have a corresponding contract to buy the same items for an even higher price. You think, "Aha! I can make that haul." You buy the items for the rather high price, get to the sales point and the negotiation fails. You're stuck with a cargo vessel full of stuff you paid a WHOLE LOT for, with no way to sell it.

I know this sounds ridiculous. In fact it is way past ridiculous. It's ludicrous. CCP is aware of it, and it doesn't bother them, which tells you a lot about the sort of thinking that goes on there. The best rule of thumb is the one daddy taught you, "If it looks too good to be true, it is." The trick to the buy low, sell high approach is in volume. Being able to buy tens of thousands of a this, haul it to there and sell it for that...the profit being marginal but the volume multiplies satisfactorily. At least that's the theory.

Some people claim they've rolled a toon, sat in their starter station, which is in a school system with no other stations, and used the market, buying and selling, to make as much as a billion. I've never tried it. No one's seriously disputed it. So...that's there, supposedly.

Good luck, and keep a tight grip on your wallet.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#15 - 2014-11-13 02:35:21 UTC
Step 1 - buy a permit.

Step 2 - haul ****.

Step 3 - realize that hauling is the most miserably boring profession in the game.

Step 4 - gank haulers, sell permits.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-13 05:33:30 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Step 1 - Take advice from code.
Step 2 - Realize how bad you dun goofed
Step 3 - Uninstall eve and live with your unbearable shame for the rest of your life



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