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The percentage chance of encountering rarer Expeditions

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#1 - 2014-11-07 17:08:06 UTC
... from combat sites has been increased.

Way too freaking much.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-phoebe

Not today spaghetti.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-11-07 18:32:35 UTC
Yeah, I think the term 'Rarer Expeditions from Combat Sites' refers to Cosmic Anomalies escalating to DED Rated Sites. I'm just wondering if CCP has removed the game mechanic of those escalations being located in a lower security system due to these notes :
Quote:
The number of system jumps required to continue Expeditions has been lowered from 4 to 20 (min / max) down to 2 to 10 (min / max). (Note that the jumps listed in your Journal may exceed 10 but this is due to your Autopilot route settings)
Expeditions now search all nearby available systems rather than forcing you into a lower security system.


What I find really strange though is this note :
Quote:
Patch notes for Phoebe 1.1
Released Wednesday, November 5th 2014

Science & Industry:
COSMOS items should no longer give back Decryptors when reprocessed.
Shocked

For years now I've been sitting on all kinds of Cosmos Items. I never thought about reprocessing them.

Ugh



DMC
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#3 - 2014-11-07 18:39:32 UTC
I'm getting at least 4-5 escalations a day.

I used to get 4-5 per week if lucky.

I have a rather large sample pool so its not just random RNG exploration crap I'm spewing here.

Not today spaghetti.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-11-07 18:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'm getting at least 4-5 escalations a day.

I used to get 4-5 per week if lucky.

I have a rather large sample pool so its not just random RNG exploration crap I'm spewing here.


A friend of mine in my null sec corp got 3 10/10 escalations yesterday, back to back.

However I haven't gotten any. Be that as it may I think it's actually a good thing at least for null and low sec. The guy getting an escalation usually stops ratting (and thus injecting large amounts of isk into the system) to do something that requires travel, exposure and possible risk for an activity that doesn't not guarantee a big reward. I've always believed that anomalies should pay out more in expeditions than liquid isk.

Edit to add: I't also a good thing as it could lower the prices of faction and deapspce mods, which in turn makes the mods more attractive to pvp players which means they'd possibly get blown up more, thereby increasing demand for them. A steadier income for combat site explorers rather than the 'feast of famine' hope for a big pay day thing we had before.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#5 - 2014-11-08 13:45:21 UTC
What number we are talking here? 10 anoms to 1 escalation? 100? What sec and space? (caldari i presume).
I keep blaping those poor blood raiders and got 2 so far. One that ended in low sec (medical something) and DED4 monastery (there are no loot in there, only those overseers black boxes, i ran quite a lot of them, both rooms, one cheap meat module looted...)
Also when i get escalation it's by default 9 jumps away, i don't recall less...fairy don't like me...

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Circumstantial Evidence
#6 - 2014-11-08 23:59:35 UTC
After shooting four Blood Den anom sites in Kor Azor .5 sec, I had two escalations to Blood Raider Psychotropics Depot (5/10). Both were 8 jumps away by shortest route, both in an adjacent region. (The second was 32 jumps by "safest" route - lol.)
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-09 11:26:34 UTC
I got 3x 3/10 escalations all one after the other in highsec yesterday plus two other non-DED expeditions.

Crazy stuff!

There seems to be an issue with the distances too (see my separate thread) as the 2/10 min/max aint working at all!
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#8 - 2014-11-10 13:33:07 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
What number we are talking here? 10 anoms to 1 escalation? 100? What sec and space? (caldari i presume).
I keep blaping those poor blood raiders and got 2 so far. One that ended in low sec (medical something) and DED4 monastery (there are no loot in there, only those overseers black boxes, i ran quite a lot of them, both rooms, one cheap meat module looted...)
Also when i get escalation it's by default 9 jumps away, i don't recall less...fairy don't like me...


We're talking an escalation per hour with 2 characters (each running anoms) in a -1.0 system in Guristas space.

Not today spaghetti.

Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-10 20:48:31 UTC
This is actually a huge nerf to exploration. The value of deadspace mods from exploration was already plummeting. It's a little ridiculous when some deadspace mods have actually reached the same price as T2. I am not sure why CCP feels that making the most ******* boring PVE in the game (anom farming) the most lucrative is a good idea.

Here, let me fire up my afk ishtar and start farming Maze escalations until x-type loot is the same price as T2. WTF, CCP.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#10 - 2014-11-12 23:36:09 UTC
Yup when i read the patch notes i thought stuff like Annexes or whatever it is in high/null that is a bit hard to get an exped from.

Then i thought WAIIIT are they maybe talking about anoms? Turns out that's what they did. DUH

Nevermind the hisec duders jacking expeds to 5/10s in lowsec or even highsec that haven't even been fixed yet (read original 'unlocked' 5/10s).
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#11 - 2014-11-13 13:12:24 UTC
PAGING CCP AFFINITY!

Did highsec and lowsec need this buff? Because nullsec didn't...

Not today spaghetti.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-13 17:54:06 UTC
This change is so f'ing stupid, they are going to crash the faction/ded market just like they did with data/relic loot.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#13 - 2014-11-14 08:09:57 UTC
dexington wrote:
This change is so f'ing stupid, they are going to crash the faction/ded market just like they did with data/relic loot.

Explorers are just middlemen. We deliver modules to the market. Devs forget that exploration is mainly driven by loot value (we don't explore anything, we are going there for shinies). I want to find 1 module worth 50mil not 50 modules worth 1 mil. It would be good for explorers but not for the buyers and usefullness of the loot. This will never be balanced. Maybe its start to seed some items that won't be connected to the market directly?
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Did highsec and lowsec need this buff? Because nullsec didn't...

Hard to compare secs. You propably have more anomalies per system in null that hisec (as guristats space, i know anoms are making scanner green when i'm going south). So you can just milk one system and have better chance to escalate.
Every single time when i read in devblog: "we are going to increase..." i'm wondering how bad it will be. I keep feeling that devs don't see big picture here. Small change can be deadly in such fragile environment. I know they want to keep tight connection with exploration loot-market but in some cases it don't work how intended. Now I'm looting faction frig size modules with almost no value. It will affect industry as well. Why build t1 and t2 when looted modules are cheaper?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Good Posting Reloaded
My Real Mind
#14 - 2014-11-14 11:00:40 UTC
I don't play much lately but yesterday i logged 30-40 minutes, did a few anoms and got 2 escalations (ded sites) and a drone anom dropped a chip for a soe ship, what the hell? I don't care if this is good or bad for the market because i don't play to get isk but a crap drone site being actually useful brought tears to my eyes Lol
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#15 - 2014-11-14 14:34:28 UTC
Good Posting Reloaded wrote:
I don't play much lately but yesterday i logged 30-40 minutes, did a few anoms and got 2 escalations (ded sites) and a drone anom dropped a chip for a soe ship, what the hell? I don't care if this is good or bad for the market because i don't play to get isk but a crap drone site being actually useful brought tears to my eyes Lol


Me too, this is a very good thing, because the more time people take doing escalations is time those same characters aren't stuffing liquid isk into the EVE economy. AND in the case of low sec and null they are facing additional danger for having to travel to the escalation and doing so in what is probably a non-station system. Escalations break up the monotony of doing anomalies.

And DED sites don't always give deadspace mods. I've done 2 9/10s this week and got nothing but the 22nd tier OPE at the end., the other 2 9/10s dropped a total of 1.2 bil worth of stuff.

Higher escalation chances (shifting the reward for anoms less towards liquid isk and more towards material rewards like mods and blue prints) is something that should have happened in 6 years ago. The potentially lower prices for deadspace gear is also good because when pvp alliances realize that deadspace stuff (better than t2) doesn't cost so much, they start using that stuff, creating more demand.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-14 20:44:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
[Me too, this is a very good thing, because the more time people take doing escalations is time those same characters aren't stuffing liquid isk into the EVE economy.


Lets say you are ratting in null and get a 10/10 escalation, the travel distance of 2 - 10 jumps is not all that time consuming. The 23rd tier ope is worth around 130M and add to that the bounties you earn while doing the site, worst case scenario is still the same isk stuffed into eve economy.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#17 - 2014-11-15 00:16:30 UTC
dexington wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
[Me too, this is a very good thing, because the more time people take doing escalations is time those same characters aren't stuffing liquid isk into the EVE economy.


Lets say you are ratting in null and get a 10/10 escalation, the travel distance of 2 - 10 jumps is not all that time consuming. The 23rd tier ope is worth around 130M and add to that the bounties you earn while doing the site, worst case scenario is still the same isk stuffed into eve economy.


Sure, if you think that moving an OPE to empire to sell (their are no Concord staitons in sov null....) takes zero seconds, which is does not. OPEs are delayed isk injection, as opposed to the immedite nature of anom bounties. Lower 'velocity' of isk injection is a good thing. Also OPEs can be destroyed in transit, the liquid isk on your wallet can't.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#18 - 2014-11-15 09:25:06 UTC
Good Posting Reloaded wrote:
...I don't care if this is good or bad for the market because i don't play to get isk but a crap drone site being actually useful brought tears to my eyes Lol

Yet you were happy to find something usefull. See? Everybody loves presentsBig smile I wouldn't care how is the state of loot in exploration if this wouldn't be so grindable. When first time i start to explore i almost left disappointed. Same sites all over the cluster, nothing to explore really. There are no things that can surprise me, if you done site once you will know the drill. I play games for fun like you i suppose. Still it's good when you open a container to see something worthy inside.

Jenn aSide wrote:
The potentially lower prices for deadspace gear is also good because when pvp alliances realize that deadspace stuff (better than t2) doesn't cost so much, they start using that stuff, creating more demand.

Like the salvage materials from relics? It will stop at some point and never return to previous price level. Market is stuffed. Just like with mining barges builded years ago, ppl have tons of em to sell beyond the cost of manufacture. Everything is connected in EvE, butterfly effect like in one of trailers. It's fun now but it will have impact in future.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Good Posting Reloaded
My Real Mind
#19 - 2014-11-15 11:28:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Higher escalation chances (shifting the reward for anoms less towards liquid isk and more towards material rewards like mods and blue prints) is something that should have happened in 6 years ago. The potentially lower prices for deadspace gear is also good because when pvp alliances realize that deadspace stuff (better than t2) doesn't cost so much, they start using that stuff, creating more demand.


I agree. And that demand will be satisfied with no problems because yesterday i took a hike to high sec to see the chances of escalations there and Jesus, everyone is running anoms. I expected to see a swarm of Gilas so i used a Navy Omen with pulse+scorch to contest them and it worked really well (Sansha and Blood space). I got a few ded sites and some ship BPCs running them so i'm really enjoying these changes.

Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Yet you were happy to find something usefull. See? Everybody loves presentsBig smile I wouldn't care how is the state of loot in exploration if this wouldn't be so grindable. When first time i start to explore i almost left disappointed. Same sites all over the cluster, nothing to explore really. There are no things that can surprise me, if you done site once you will know the drill. I play games for fun like you i suppose. Still it's good when you open a container to see something worthy inside.


I've been doing combat sites for years and i never did it for the isk because for that i prefer other activities. I like to find ship BPCs and manufacture them, sometimes i use them myself, sometimes i give them to friends that i know they will pvp with them. Same happens with the modules. I usually tend to give deadspace reppers or MWDs because i prefer to fit T2 since i pvp very rarely these days.

There was a time when i was always on the hunt for isk but now i don't care, that's why i like this buff. I like the atmosphere of eve and that is all.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-11-16 13:19:08 UTC
I was doing den's yesterday trying to figure would what the escalation chance is, an i got an escalation within the first 20 sites.

I was a little surprised that the 5/10 site was located in hi-sec, this is a pretty big buff to hi-sec exploration and just as big a slap in the face to the low-sec players. Just to clarify i was 3 jumps from low-sec when i got the escalation.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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