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Why I don't go to lowsec.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#41 - 2014-11-09 01:35:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The fundamental problem with lowsec is that the gatecamp ganks make it not viable to do PvE activities there....it's just a pirate wasteland.


But meanwhile, lowsec groups carebear freely throughout Molden Heath. Among other places.


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If you made travel easier by buffing sentry guns, the gatecamps would decline, and the increased traffic flow would make PvE play more viable.


No it would not. Travel fitting plus the MWD+Cloak trick makes it easily possible to move even battleships through lowsec. It's already too easy in fact.

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That would then encourage more interesting piracy, mainly piracy against PvE residents....it would make lowsec fun instead of just a sequence of boring gatecamps.


I barely ever see an actual gatecamp anymore, to be honest. Even places like Amamake which used to be camped 23/7 are often empty, you can roll through them with even slow PI haulers and never see anyone else on grid.

The reason why lowsec is empty is because you can achieve the same level of income in highsec with far, far more safety. Highsec needs dramatically nerfed in order to fix lowsec.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2014-11-09 01:36:23 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Fails to properly diagnose the problem. The fundamental problem with lowsec is that the gatecamp ganks make it not viable to do PvE activities there....it's just a pirate wasteland.


I dove through lowsec the other night solo in a mega and encountered not a single gate camp. In fact I have not seen one for months. Its a total myth spouted by the spineless in highsec.

Veers Belvar wrote:

If you made travel easier by buffing sentry guns, the gatecamps would decline, and the increased traffic flow would make PvE play more viable. That would then encourage more interesting piracy, mainly piracy against PvE residents....it would make lowsec fun instead of just a sequence of boring gatecamps.


What gatecamps?

All this would do is force cruisers off the gates just like frigates and reduce the amount of targets greatly.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#43 - 2014-11-09 01:41:58 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Yes, because savagely nerfing highsec would make the PvE highsec players go live in incredibly dangerous and CONCORD free lowsec, not join the blue donut or quit Eve entirely.


And making it impossible to catch people on gates would make these same risk averse shitheels live in lowsec?

No, but risk should equal isk. Less risk in highsec should result in less isk. Than anywhere else.


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I appreciate your vision for a PvP mayhem game, the only problem is that no one really wants to play it...certainly not as the victim.


One wonders why people fly defenseless ships then. In EVE, if you are a victim, it is because you made a deliberate choice to be one.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-11-09 01:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
afkalt wrote:
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Check out OP's killboard page; he used to live in null-sec and has been out in low-sec shooting people on quite a few occasions. So, either he's a complete troll or he refuses to learn how to get around space. In either case, advice is not what he needs.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Paranoid Loyd
#45 - 2014-11-09 02:21:15 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
afkalt wrote:
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Check out OP's killboard page; he used to live in null-sec and has been out in low-sec shooting people on quite a few occassions. So, either he's a conplete troll or he refuses to learn how to get around space. In either case, advice is not what he needs.

I typed out more or less the same response then realized you already did.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Anslo
Scope Works
#46 - 2014-11-09 02:26:55 UTC
Eve mail me if you're willing to try with a fresh attitude OP

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Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#47 - 2014-11-09 02:32:48 UTC
(laughs a little about how much easier EvE is now when anyone can drop a few dollars and walk away w a billion isk, remembers spending over a month busting butt for enough to buy a BS w fancy t1 loot modules. Then jumping into a system (waiting for load screen) then wondering why I'm back in a station instead of on the other side of the gate.)

Now I fly frigates that cost more than my first apoc just for giggles. Pity is non-existant.

Daemun of Khanid
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#48 - 2014-11-09 02:48:00 UTC
Heavens Deliverance wrote:
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No amount of map checking is going to tell me the ships sitting on the next gate, they could be anywhere.


No you are right about the map but why don't you just learn to be safe warping to gates sensibly if you are vulnerable and learn to dscan....

:O


How do you dcan a system before you jump into it?
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-11-09 02:58:49 UTC
afkalt wrote:
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Honestly, you people are bonkers. "no-one comes to low", "everyone stays in high sec", whine whine, cry cry. So the guy goes to low and posts (an admittedly reasonably poor) thread on why he doesnt go and the response is mainly "lol noob, gtfo back to high sec".

If you give advice, help a little, maybe we can drag low sec population up a little. So maybe OP is a lost cause, maybe he isnt - but a lot of "maybes" might read this - it doesnt exactly read well to them as all you're doing is reinforcing the (entirely false) idea that low is a death trap and you need oodles of experience to have the slimmest chance of survival.



@OP - want to learn low and how she works? Fly an interceptor, scout about/get to know the locals/get to know the lay of the land/burn bookmarks. Low/null sec is far from a deathtrap - sure, some homework needs to be done - but usually only once. Do your scouting in an interceptor/CovOps then once you have the bits and pieces lined up (undock/gate bounce BMs etc) - have black frog move some assets there for you. It really is just experience - but to get that experience in a pain free way - inty/CovOps - just keep in mind smartie BS camps might still blap you.


You sir knows exactly how it works. And yes i agree on every word you say there. This nail the topic and the answer.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#50 - 2014-11-09 03:22:54 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Where's the reward for my risk?
The thrill and excitement when you pull it off successfully? Plus the financial reward when you get a good drop?

If you usually play in the same area you could get an Astero and create some tactical bookmarks in the low sec systems you might be sent to. Look at Dotlan to find any regularly camped systems you should avoid. A Stratios with a cov-ops cloak is a lot easier to move around low until you get more experience and is strong enough to run a lot of escalations.



Treyah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-11-09 04:59:26 UTC
Dude -- if you're still reading this ... just check the map for recent ship / pod kills in the last 24 hours. If you see something that indicates activity might be 'going down' ... jump in a fast frigate and scout it out first. Don't just willy-nilly yourself in and think you'll make it out fine everytime.

This is space with goons in the dark man, you gotta either bring brains or backup.
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#52 - 2014-11-09 05:14:57 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:

Lowsec is "murphies law online". Might be a reason right there why so few use the "lowsec content".



Dude, are you sure about that? low sec is the most active region for a couple of months now. gallente taking all of gal/cal warzone, null entities shifting to lowsec for gudfites, the usual lowsec pirates figthing again (doing some PI while snuff and SC slugging it out several AU away) and neutral entities roaming e.g. E-UNI.

PI and production is also healthy afaik within my main's corps. although selling their product i admit is being transported to hisec.

i only played for 7 months now and i wont be anywhere else than in lowsec for some forseeable future.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#53 - 2014-11-09 06:11:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Agree with OP, most of the lowsec "content" is just lame gatecamps. Would like to see buffed up sentry guns to actually incentivize people to combat in the system not just on the gates.


Because you can totally pull people into open space between gates in lowsec? Roll

This is some pretty horrifying ignorance, even for an imbecile like you.


Oooh....back to the name calling...immature as usual, I see....maybe it's time to move beyond 6th grade level?

Buffed up sentry guns would end these stupid gate camps, and create more conflict in the systems rather than just gatecamp massacres. Might make people actually WANT to LIVE in lowsec.


Buffing sentry guns will only increase the size of the gate camps, as people will compensate for the increased amount of sentry dps. It will however reduce the possibilities of small gang and solo pvp on gates. I don't think "more blobs!" is a good solution.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#54 - 2014-11-09 06:15:38 UTC
Whenever I undock, I fully expect to lose my ship. Whenever I enter lowsec, I expect to return via pod-express to my medical clone.

I'm surprised the OP didn't mention trying to convo anyone, first to congratulate them, second to admit he has a lot to learn, and third to ask if the victor has any tips for improvement or survival.
Big Lynx
#55 - 2014-11-09 06:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Confirmed. OP's balls are still hanging on that gate he was entering lowsec.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#56 - 2014-11-09 07:10:43 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Fails to properly diagnose the problem.
Yes you did and it shows a complete lack of knowledge.

Low sec requires it's own niche product, not nerfs on conflict. But CCP has ignored low sec for years and look to do so for more to come. So no matter how tempting it is, I will not ask for you to hold your breath for any changes.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-11-09 08:37:07 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.


Incompetence should not be rewarded. There are plenty of other players who fly solo in low sec in nice ships and make nice isk out of it. If you do not want a piece of that pie, that is your choice!
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#58 - 2014-11-09 08:49:22 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.


Incompetence should not be rewarded. There are plenty of other players who fly solo in low sec in nice ships and make nice isk out of it. If you do not want a piece of that pie, that is your choice!

Hey I agree with most of this thread but the rewards even when flying right are complete crap. Fact is you DO have to dock up when a neutral comes, if not you certainly do when he enters your grid. You DO have to scout the gates and yep, another neutral in the target system. Yep... he's using combat scanner probes.

This wasted time amounts to wasted ISK and you end up better off in high-sec. Well, WH probably, but high-sec more so than low.

This needs to be addressed. And the mining? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Mining in lowsec...
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2014-11-09 08:49:52 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
afkalt wrote:
You know, it wouldnt kill you to give the guys some advice.

Check out OP's killboard page; he used to live in null-sec and has been out in low-sec shooting people on quite a few occassions. So, either he's a conplete troll or he refuses to learn how to get around space. In either case, advice is not what he needs.

I typed out more or less the same response then realized you already did.


So what, it takes a few seconds for me to write something useful.

Did you consider the amount of people who haven't been to low and hit threads like this? People savvy enough to check killboards don't need our help. What do you think that does for their impressions of low sec?

I'm sure at this point people will be foaming at the mouth to say that "if this puts them off we dont want them in even, go play wow/etcetc/rabblerabble" however I'm more pragmatic.

Low is actually just fine as it is, you can make solid cash/have various good times out there, the actual problem with low is its reputation, one that caustic replies like the ones in this (and many other threads) just serve to reinforce.

Eve might be "hard" (it's not) and ruthless (it is), but there is no need to act that way on the forums all the time. Even if the OP was a complete ass, which I dont think he was, helpful replies stand a chance of helping others and that is something to strive for is it not? To get even a dozen more poeple to take the leap - then tell their friends.

Players have created the image of low - players are the only ones that can fix it. Fail to do so and be condemned to it being empty.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-11-09 08:57:23 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
Where's the reward for my risk? People suggest better ships, but why throw more isk into the grinder? That obviously doesn't make sense.


Incompetence should not be rewarded. There are plenty of other players who fly solo in low sec in nice ships and make nice isk out of it. If you do not want a piece of that pie, that is your choice!

Hey I agree with most of this thread but the rewards even when flying right are complete crap. Fact is you DO have to dock up when a neutral comes, if not you certainly do when he enters your grid. You DO have to scout the gates and yep, another neutral in the target system. Yep... he's using combat scanner probes.

This wasted time amounts to wasted ISK and you end up better off in high-sec. Well, WH probably, but high-sec more so than low.

This needs to be addressed. And the mining? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Mining in lowsec...


Disagree entirely. Put aside the isk per hour for a moment, and think about the fun. If you setup your base in a nice low sec area, and you get competition for the sites, you can blow them up. It is not so easy to do that in high sec, although you can gank them, but it ain't the same.

So, given that low sec can provide those with the right mindset much more fun than can be had in high sec, why are people better off there again?