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Question on T2 BPC market and T2 BPO Impact
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Idgarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-30 00:47:44 UTC
Thinking about getting into the BPC market after reactivating. Been gone for a while. With the patch coming up I have a question about the BPC market.

If through conventional methods of invention the max runs I see possible is about 10 with an ME\TE < 5 for either, doesn't the ability of a T2 BPO derived BPC and the copy time nerf pretty much obliterate competition in the T2 BPC market where T2 BPOs exist for those products? Does the changes coming up impact that or did they limit the old T2 BPO's ability to produce BPCs get nerfed?
Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
#2 - 2014-11-03 13:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jdestars
T2 Bpo have impact with copy product :

Exemple with AS Bpo T2

After Patch : 43 bpc with 1 run only ( 28d)

Exemple With Module

After Patch 100 bpc with 10 run ( 26d)


Somme sorrow with contrat we need to do more contrat and pay more taxe


bpc ME/PE (50+/20+) has been change in +10% /20%

i think that max month prod has been nerf (before max month prod of as almost 100 pc now bpo indication without skill 1D 9h)

in interface for all bpo there are a maximun run for ( copy /prod) i dont known the impact of this parametre ( for module copy max run are over max month copy ... )
Idgarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-11-07 13:25:23 UTC
Jdestars wrote:
T2 Bpo have impact with copy product :

Exemple with AS Bpo T2

After Patch : 43 bpc with 1 run only ( 28d)

Exemple With Module

After Patch 100 bpc with 10 run ( 26d)


Somme sorrow with contrat we need to do more contrat and pay more taxe


bpc ME/PE (50+/20+) has been change in +10% /20%

i think that max month prod has been nerf (before max month prod of as almost 100 pc now bpo indication without skill 1D 9h)

in interface for all bpo there are a maximun run for ( copy /prod) i dont known the impact of this parametre ( for module copy max run are over max month copy ... )


So in essence it is impossible to compete with conventional invention against T2 BPOs since you cannot get the ME10/TE20 with competitive run counts. Do we have a list of known T2 BPOs that were issue so we know which markets are pointless then?
BigWolfUK
Sons-of-Liberty
#4 - 2014-11-07 14:00:37 UTC
Except many markets that has BPO holders have more than enough demand, that they can't keep up, and thus you can still profit from invention
Gedalva
#5 - 2014-11-10 03:24:11 UTC
This is Eve there is always a give-and-take and T2 BPO's are no exception. The beauty of a T2 print is the owner does not have to engage in making copies or doing invention runs but the trade off is that that T2 print can only produce "X" number of runs within a period of time thereby placing a cap on the profit available to the owner.

A builder who uses the invention process can produce exponentially more units in the same given time that the BPO owner can and thereby makes his profit on the volume of the build as opposed to the individual unit. In some cases the difference in material cost from a perfectly researched T2 BPO and its decryptor invented counterpart is minuscule which leads to outrageous ROI times to payoff the upfront cost of the original print.

In summary don't let the spectre of T2 prints influence your desire to sell invented BPC's, if your price allows the manufacturer to realize a profit and avoid the cumbersome process of invention you will sell your prints.
Patty Loveless
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-11-10 18:41:24 UTC
BigWolfUK wrote:
Except many markets that has BPO holders have more than enough demand, that they can't keep up, and thus you can still profit from invention


QFT. In fact there is only a few items that the T2 BPOs in existence can meet the demand.
A T2 BPO + building comps for the next run usually take about 8-9 jobs, so that is only one character.
One of the bigger advantages inventors have over owners is that they can stockpile BPCs and mass produce concurrently as the market demands. BPO owners have to stockpile the produced items since we are maxed at 1 job at a time.
Idgarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-11-13 19:16:18 UTC
Patty Loveless wrote:
BigWolfUK wrote:
Except many markets that has BPO holders have more than enough demand, that they can't keep up, and thus you can still profit from invention


QFT. In fact there is only a few items that the T2 BPOs in existence can meet the demand.
A T2 BPO + building comps for the next run usually take about 8-9 jobs, so that is only one character.
One of the bigger advantages inventors have over owners is that they can stockpile BPCs and mass produce concurrently as the market demands. BPO owners have to stockpile the produced items since we are maxed at 1 job at a time.


So you can't make a BPC from a BPO? Last I checked time wise it appeared that you could easily kick out a max run BPC from a BPO with your cap ME\TE, did they remove the ability to make a copy off T2 BPOs?
Gedalva
#8 - 2014-11-17 03:57:56 UTC
Yes you can still make copies but there is no real benefit as the copy time is generally equal to the manufacturing time so you are merely making a copy (for an additional fee) that will replace a manufacturing run for later use.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2014-11-17 04:27:36 UTC
Gedalva wrote:
Yes you can still make copies but there is no real benefit as the copy time is generally equal to the manufacturing time so you are merely making a copy (for an additional fee) that will replace a manufacturing run for later use.


There are niche uses for BPO-generated tech 2 BPCs, mostly in scamming.

I'd consider paying a premium for one under some circumstances.

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