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New Wormhole System Thera - The problem I see

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sereneabt
#1 - 2014-11-07 08:47:25 UTC  |  Edited by: sereneabt
So yesterday they revealed the new WH System "Thera" (I believe its called). A new superhub system located in a Wormhole. A Wormhole which will have NPC stations and be massive in scale. (Over 250AU). In addition to having stations, it will also have no local, Sleeper Sites and a new WH effect. Alliances/Corps cannot place any POS's/ Stations as well.

CCP hopes that this will be the Sigil (or Mos Eisley) of EVE.

While I do think the idea has merit I see a major problem with this new system.

Whats to stop one of the major power blocks to just seize control of the whole system? The WH will have (multiple) statics to K-Space. All of which can easily be controlled by the Power Block.

I cannot see this "Thera" system becoming a trade hub as well, simply since there is no concord and everybody and their mother will be out to gank.

Perhaps in the coming weeks we will get some more background information on this Special WH system and how CCP thinks to balance it, so that everyone can profit from it.

Pirates however...Ohh my...will they have a field day

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Ama Scelesta
#2 - 2014-11-07 08:59:49 UTC
It's not meant for everyone. It's meant to be a gathering place for those, that don't need or want CONCORD to hold their hand. For the rest there is always Jita. As for power blocks seizing them, I certainly hope people will try to control the system at least for fun. I'm sure it can be done temporarily, but maintaining that for long periods when the system has multiple shifting entrances and many stations full of alts and assets of your enemies is another matter.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#3 - 2014-11-07 09:17:06 UTC
If there's no bubbles in the system then there's a decent chance that a trade hub will form. It might be a problem if one power bloc tries to take control, but I'm not sure I see the benefit of that over selling their stuff there.
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-11-07 09:19:07 UTC
The stations being npc will act as a bar for true control. There will however be powerful cartels in there. As it should be

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5 - 2014-11-07 09:19:48 UTC
NPC stations in wormholes. Never thought I'd see that day.

I think CCP devs and the idea crew are hitting the booze and that's a good thing.


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sereneabt
#6 - 2014-11-07 09:20:31 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
If there's no bubbles in the system then there's a decent chance that a trade hub will form. It might be a problem if one power bloc tries to take control, but I'm not sure I see the benefit of that over selling their stuff there.



I believe CCP stated that it will have the same mechanics as other WH systems, so bubbles are most likely allowed

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Schmata Bastanold
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#7 - 2014-11-07 09:49:14 UTC
To be precise it will have usual wh local :)

And I guess environment itself will "limit" ability to totally dominate this system. After all when one hole closes another opens and you cannot camp/bubble them all. And since right now wh signature shows on scanner AFTER somebody jumped through it you cannot really catch first wave of visitors. Also no caps allowed should force entities to field much more pilots should they want to try to dominate.

I'm sure there will be some fun and stories coming from that place but we will see how it will play out when it hits TQ. I will be watching map for growing red spot in w-space but personally I'm more excited about clone changes and new stuff "a little closer to home".

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Gogela
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#8 - 2014-11-07 10:11:55 UTC
It's going to be Fountain on crack. I'm actually really conflicted about my Fountain ships. Do I move them? I think I'll just keep them there... but really Thera is where I would have stacked them had I known. I'm going to have to scramble for ISK to set up in Thera properly.... and sweet jesus do I have a lot of bookmarks that need to be made when I get there. I'm pumped. Thank the lords of Kobol I have a few weeks to get ready.

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PotatoOverdose
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Sedition.
#9 - 2014-11-07 10:27:07 UTC
Not enough info on thera, although I think it will be awesome. Also interdiction nullifiers and instant undocks handle the whole station camp bit pretty well.

You have to keep in mind that smallish groups have done remarkably well against larger entities in both npc 0.0 and wormholes. GSF has been kicked out of wh space repeatedly, for example. Ditto -A-, back when they were only partially zombified.

Mass limitations will reduce casual blobbing into the system, though it will no doubt be possible with a concerted effort. The blocs won't be able to control it because, quite frankly, there isn't much that can stop a cloak-nullified t3 - or a ceptor gang for that matter from moving in or out. Likewise, all but the most dedicated gatecamps will be relatively easy to bypass in bombers, covops, recons, asteros and stratios'.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2014-11-07 11:05:18 UTC
What in this system will be so interesting you guys think people will fight over it?

There won't be a big market place because no one will be dumb enough to pilot a freighter in there and AFAIK there is no information about anything else besides a station so far.
Herrin Asura
Covert Operations Agency
#11 - 2014-11-07 11:14:39 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Not enough info on thera, although I think it will be awesome. Also interdiction nullifiers and instant undocks handle the whole station camp bit pretty well.


How do you create an instant undock bookmark in a crowded system where everyone will shoot everyone on sight?

The Thera idea is awesome nevertheless.

Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2014-11-07 11:16:34 UTC
Herrin Asura wrote:

How do you create an instant undock bookmark in a crowded system where everyone will shoot everyone on sight?

Take control of the undock area and let 1 guy create the bookmark
Hicksimus
Torgue
#13 - 2014-11-07 11:23:05 UTC
So it's Old Man Star without gate guns?

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Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-07 11:27:37 UTC
PvP arena finally comes to Eve? Great! Lol

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marVLs
#15 - 2014-11-07 11:32:05 UTC
It would be tragic If they allow bubbles there... otherwise could be very fun
Herrin Asura
Covert Operations Agency
#16 - 2014-11-07 11:37:47 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Herrin Asura wrote:

How do you create an instant undock bookmark in a crowded system where everyone will shoot everyone on sight?

Take control of the undock area and let 1 guy create the bookmark


Sounds like a plan. Lol
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#17 - 2014-11-07 11:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Hill
It's actually a low sec defined as a wormhole. What happened in low sec will happen there.
However its huge scale could make some differences.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-11-07 11:59:32 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
What in this system will be so interesting you guys think people will fight over it?

There won't be a big market place because no one will be dumb enough to pilot a freighter in there and AFAIK there is no information about anything else besides a station so far.


For one, being a pvp hub that will lead to tons of roaming opportunities. Be a really good place for pure pvp characters to base out of to have constant access to roaming opportunities. As for freighters, if you really think that hauling supplies is limited to freighters, of course you're not going to see this being a good idea.

Nate Hill wrote:
It's actually a low sec defined as a wormhole. What happened in low sec will happen there.
However its huge scale could make some differences.


It's not a low sec defined as a wormhole. Lowsec allows capital production. This does not. Lowsec allows moon mining. This does not. Lowsec allows POSs, this does not. Lowsec has local, this does not. And so on, and so on. We may see the same sort of thing, with lots of groups fghting over it, but at least there wont be super hotdrops waiting over everything.
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
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#19 - 2014-11-07 12:00:34 UTC
No worries, Marmites will guard it 24/7. Twisted Now if I only could get Concord to pay us for it Roll

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sereneabt
#20 - 2014-11-07 12:10:54 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
No worries, Marmites will guard it 24/7. Twisted Now if I only could get Concord to pay us for it Roll


thats funny, even for a bad joke

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