EVE General Discussion

Please keep posting dribble I am entertained.

No you cannot.

Next point... If we were to accept your thoughts that mindless violence needs to go (we're not, but let's experiment), there wouldn't be a way to achieve it anyways.

Should empty haulers in lowsec also not be shot? Mission runners in nullsec? It's not a good fight, there's no economic benefit, so it's just mindless violence right? How about even determining what is or isn't mindless? What if I want to gank empty RvB pods and shuttles for psychological warfare against them? What if I target pods that I have reason to believe hold expensive implants? What if I roleplay on a blog collecting corpses to cut them up as toppings for my McChicken?

There is no mechanic in a video game that reads minds.

I'll sum up this thread in 4 words: Grrrrr alts, grrrr sandbox.

So let me clear this up. If you are at the keyboard, you are virtually safe in a Shuttle, and are not likely to encounter the loss of your shuttle. "Don't want your shuttle exploding" answer, is literally smacking you in the face tears. If you cannot be "bothered" to do that, then yes expect to pay the consequences of not being able to deter shuttle exploding. IE being AFK.

Why do you hate bots so much, if this is your position on this? Is not AFK AP kind of like botting?, but not only that you want it to be totally risk free too.

Ok lets look at this another way. Obviously the obvious is not obvious enough for you, even though it is smacking you in the face. The fact that you are AFK can only mean that you do not "CARE" what happens to you in game. PERIOD!!!!!!. What you want is CCP to allow you to "NOT CARE" in 100% safety. Even though what you ask for can be an ISK earner. Moving Implants with impunity, I sell my booster for Isk. Imagine the money I can make with more customers within easy reach. Look I'm in a shuttle, watching all them Haulers go past. Scouting with impunity. Where do you draw the line. Ships without fits and empty? Being flown to that war.........

Bad idea is bad. pure and simple.

I have just told you how flying a shuttle with total impunity can earn you ISK. A very valid way too. Yet again you seem to be ignorant to the details.

MY BOOSTER (you do know what one of them is don't you Tears?), Would be able to fly to anyone, paying the most to me. Did you get that?

*Types slowly*

MY BOOSTER, will be able to fly to the highest bidder, with total impunity. In other words making ISK, from flying a shuttle.




Fact? citation please. Everyone I know, That's EVERYONE I know. may hate Gankers, but they realise it is part of the game, and as such appreciate the need to defend oneself against it. Those that rage quit, are best out of a game they were not suited to. I was Canflipped 1 week old, Lost a retriever in a badger 1 month old. I'm still here.



Do you know why people do not Join corps? I can tell you its not Awoxxing. 100% guarantee that. Its fear of WD's that stops them. I am in a one man corp. EVERYONE in the game can create a "one man corp", You cannot, and will not be Awoxxed if you do not invite anyone into your corp. So do not EVER give me that Awoxxing is stopping Players from being in a corp. What is not fun to you does not mean it is not fun for others. Selfish to think otherwise. Don't like shuttling from one place to another then fooking use jump clones. Oh god! do I need to spell everything out in this game for you?

Maybe that's because I don't think it needs a buff? Balance doesn't mean "you always have to give both buffs and nerfs in every situation". Sometimes mechanics just need to be pulled back a bit. Ganking is too easy, too cheap and lacking in consequences. Now I wouldn't say it needs to be "nerfed" as that suggests a big change, but it certainly needs to be given a bit of variance. Black Pedro's suggestion was a very good one, and arguably does provide benefits along with the nerf to keep you happy.

Which it only does in your head, so stop irrationally crying like a noob.


And as I've stated numerous times, mining ALSO needs to be balanced. You keep going "but but but mining is unbalanced too therefore ganking should be unbalanced". That's not how it works.

You are never unkillable.

No, I just think that when you want to pick a playstyle, you should have to put some effort in and actually live with the consequences of your actions, not just roll an alt, gank noobs like crazy in cheap disposable ships, then undo the only "downside" for pocket change when you get bored. And I certainly think you should have to consider more when executing a gank than EHP / DPS + minimal buffer.

He smartbombs people as they warp to the gate at 0. If AFK shuttle ganking was somehow nerfed, this is what you'd see become commonplace. The only reason it isn't is because there are enough auto piloting targets already.

Any mechanic that would deter destruction of random shuttles for lulz would also have the same effect on people who don't do it for the lulz. I'm not sure of what mechanic you are proposing to accomplish this. The gankers you speak of are already -10. If you increase response times or increase criminal timer it affects all gankers equally. If you nerf the ships used for the task you are breaking game balance for regular PVP. If you change autopiloting mechanics you will see the gankers switch to the tactics of Santo Trafficante.

Why does CONCORD need to deter these actions anyways? CONCORD is designed to be punitive not preventative. I've never seen a statement from CCP claiming it's designed to be a determent to the point that low-value targets become unfeasible to gank. If it's just your preference for game design fine, but at that point it's no more valid than someone who takes the opposite stance and says "there shouldn't be any CONCORD at all".

The fact is getting podded at a gate, Santo style or otherwise, can be completely prevented by using a ship with enough EHP to hold strong. Interceptors not only warp faster than shuttles but can tank a full handful of Santos if fit right. It's a win-win, but pilots are lazy. Removing someone else's fun for their laziness is not acceptable.


You are many times unkillable if you know what you're doing. Mining, hauling, mission running... all can be done in complete safety as long as you are willing to stay attentive and dock up when needed. Sometimes even that isn't necessary as with some fits you're only theoretically killable...


Why is it permissible for someone to have a hauler alt then? You are in Space Monkeys, in a permanent war with Marmite Collective. Why do you get to haul without facing the repercussions of that? I still don't understand this repercussion business. Traders manipulate markets costing the player base trillions of ISK overall and no one claims the mechanics should supply any repercussions for that. EVE is inherently a game where players deliver repercussions, not game mechanics...

It's also not pocket change. That's why most of us are well below -5 and don't keep bringing ourselves back up. Only the guys who gank the industrials (non freighter) really do that. It's not pocket change for them either, they are just rich as **** from all the carebears hauling 2.0b worth of goods in an untanked Tayra.

Its the sum of said tips that will make people informed, safer, and now directly responsible for their own safety. The key message being, you are not supposed to be 100% safe, and how you mitigate the remaining risk of a gank is on YOU.

In short, no complaining that the tips presented don't make you 100% safe should ever negate the fact you aren't SUPPOSED to be 100% safe.

The only disconnect I see, is that I sense you think you should have a way to be 100% safe from ganking, and that should never happen.

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Smartbombing is a lot more expensive and harder to do as a -10. Given the increased cost and effort, the incidence will decrease. My impression is that the folks who gank for profit work hard to stay positive sec status as it makes it easier to pull off a successful gank. Cracking down hard on -10s would mostly just hurt the lolz gankers, not the folks who do this as a job.

The effectiveness of CONCORD is critical to whether new/casual players enjoy the game enough to stick around. A dangerous highsec leads to risk aversion, which leads to boredom, which leads to quitting. A safer highsec does the opposite.

New/casual players can't fly interceptors (I personally still can't) - no reason highsec should be SO dangerous that you are afraid to fly around in a shuttle.

And so because you are smart and daring in RL you are like that in EvE to?!
Talk about missconceptions.

People want to play games. They want to be entertained and flee from the real world. There is not "risk averse" since loses are virtual. Whats unwanted and uneeded are some "smartasses" that **** of people and try to force some emotinal responses. If People are pissed of the are not pissed of by EvE they are pissed of by other people.

CCP efforts sofar attracting those you like to call risk averse havent gone far enough to change the reputation the game has. As a result of that, there is no additional amount to be expected of yet. So you conclusion is worthless.

So if you are better suited taking risks, why are you crying, when have to put even more risk and effort into the game? You shouldnt cry, you should be happy!