EVE General Discussion

Oh nonsense, advocating for an effective police force that actually managed to deter repeat criminal conduct is not some kind of social justice garbage, it's just a common sense and effective solution. CCP has already stated that awoxxing is hurting the game because people don't want to get blown up in highsec, and avoid risk by staying in NPC corps, doing boring solo things, and eventually quit the game. This makes CCP unhappy, and they respond by apparently throwing awoxxing overboard. The exact same line of reasoning applies to wars and ganking, and I expect that some action will be taken.

edit - and for the record I have twice been a gank victim. Once a 17 ship multibox catalyst gang ambushed me on an incursion gate, and I barely survived. The second time I was autopiloting an empty pod in a shuttle through highsec and someone ganked the shuttle for lolz but died before he got the pod. So it's not just theoretical for me, the fact that I can't safely autopilot through highsec in an empty shuttle is something of an annoyance.

BS, and you know it is. You have absolutely no right to complain on my behalf, of what I would like from my game. Especially if what you are asking for does not effect you in any way what so ever. How dare you presume that I, and others cannot form their own opinions on what concerns them.

Become a fleet miner or a Hauler first, and see how much a problem ganking is for the clued up player, then come back and tell us all how wrong you were, and is so sorry for your ignorance


Edit for the Edit. Are you serious? Auto piloting and expect to be safe? You sir just lost the internet

I'm sorry, did I miss the election where these people said the answer to that question was you?



The problem isn't the game or how safe you are in a shuttle, it's that you choose to play a game you aren't mentally compatible with.

The people that come onto the forums, and whine are the self entitled lazy fookwits that cannot be bothered to protect their ships. "Oh I was AFKing when some big green baddie come and blow me up"," I noticed about 1/2 after it happen when I came back to see how I was doing". "Waaaaaaaah I lost my High yield low tank 300mil isk ship to a 20mill isk gank Waaaaaaaah". they deserve the gank. Period.

These are the people you are SJWing for (Jenn that's an awesome acronym). Me? I prefer them to be gone from the game.

Do you realise the problems that safe passage for empty ships would entail?

Awoxxing is not Ganking. Oh wait I'm sure you could manage to link them in some not remotely connected way

You are definitely not the brightest star in New Eden.

Top of my head. Safe passage for Implants. Instead of using JC. That's at least one "consequence" removal.

Maybe you should pay your electricity bill and put that light on.

Oh look! You want reward for doing nothing. What a surprise. Being at the keyboard and WTZ is not 100% safe. Nor should it be.

I love how within minutes of Jenn reappearing it's immediately been implied that the desire here is for the complete removal of highsec PvP. Exaclty as was explained earlier, some people are incapable of understanding that balancing a mechanic does not me removing it.

And while you can go on and on about how much you think gankees should be guarding themselves, it still does not change the fact that ganking is easy, cheap and without consequence. You keep turning it back on the gankees, but the balance issues are with gank mechanics. Black Pedro made a pretty good suggestion earlier about it, by adding variance to ganking success. Repeatedly flailing around screaming "the carebears should just run away better!" is not constructive.

You certainly haven't proposed buffing it. Or even a buff to compensate for a nerf.

You have no interest in balance, that's plain for all to see.





Except for when it ends up that way.




Except for the part where that's a lie. And even if ganking were "without consequence" as you so falsely claim, mining and hauling are cheaper, easier, and possess far, far less native consequences. It takes deliberate player action to bring risk to them, and without such action miners and haulers would have absolutely zero risk whatsoever.

And you want to make their lives easier.

Forgive me if I think that's absurd.



How can that be, when playing the game with even half of your ass makes you nigh unkillable in highsec?

Sounds to me like it's too far in the direction of safety. Or do you think the game should be designed so you only have to play it with a quarter of your ass and be completely safe? An eighth?

In other words I am not going to continually explain the same thing to you over and over again because you choose to be willfully ignorant.

It is not mandatory to compensate for every nerf with a buff. Something may simply be unbalanced and a nerf required. It is possible that mining is unbalanced and needs a nerf. It is also possible that awoxing or hisec ganking is unbalanced and needs a nerf.

To be perfectly honest, neither side has provided any objective evidence (e.g. actual numerical metrics) to support their claims, only anecdotal evidence which really isn't worth sh*t.