EVE General Discussion

The difference of course is one of these is a computer game.

I don't believe you just said that!

And the failure to have meaningful consequences for ganking means we have more of it, and by the same people. I mean we would pretty much expect the same result in real life. As long as the criminal justice system in Eve is hopelessly broken, I see little reason to expect a reduction in the level of miner and hauler ganking.

There's apt real life comparisons, and then there's inapt real life comparisons.

Jenn referred to piracy.
CCP regard piracy in game as a legitimate activity, albeit one with some penalties. Real world, modern day criminal justice systems do not regard piracy as legitimate in any form. When taken in the context of Eve one comparison is apt, the other is not.

First, let me say that you are delcious, but hold the mayo please

And now, on to the content:



This is true.

And yet this is not enough for these people. People have been complaining since day one. DEV music videos notwithstanding, CCP has been obliging them the entire time I've been playing.

Strengthening faction police, CONCORD, crime watch, adding "child safety locks" to space ships that have guns on them, pop ups that tell you you are about to jump into low sec (because the game needs to play it self for you), pop ups that tell you you are about to undock for some item you need for a mission, pop ups to tell you a mod is off line, new modules in every release that make evading easier (MJds, target spectrum breakers etc), buffed EHP on certain ships, insurance payments removed form ganking ships etc etc etc.

And still, complaints about ganking and aggression. And the lies. Lies of "well, ganking shouldn't go away, but it should be curtailed, only done when something of value is at stake, made more fair with higher cost etc etc". In actuality, this thinking is an attempt at a "Back Door Ban"* on something a poster doesn't like.

The truth is, there is NO acceptable level of "safe' for these people below "100%". So more tools or faster CONCORD retribution or CCP deleting Destroyers from the data-base or CCP making ganking only possible if you use a faction/deadspace fit Machariel would totally satisfy these people. Only Star Trek Online level consensual only pvp in high sec will do for them, regardless of their lies to the contrary.



*A "Back Door Ban" in real life is an attempt (by a special interest faction that is opposed to something but unable to obtain an outright ban by established means) to regulate something so sternly that people are discouraged from doing the thing they really want abolished. "Back door banning " allows people with extreme views to appear reasonable while still pursuing their unreasonable agenda. An example of this seen in game is "ganking is ok, but it should cost more".

Too easy.



Case in point of my last post.

Another way to tell the "back door ban" crowd is to give them useful advice about accomplishing a goal, only to see it rejected on the grounds of "i don't want to do that, the game should do what i need automatically".

This is because they don't want 'advice', they want someone else to FIX IT for them. Suggesting anything that requires effort or self reliance or making friends is not on the menu for them.



Translation: "Everyone should be forced to play the same way I do".

How is your hardware problem and your personal video game preferences a reason for game changes? As I've said before, at the heart of opinions like yours is a deep and uncompromising selfishness.

People were using multiple accounts long before you started playing EVE. If you don't like the practice, why then did you decided to play a game where the practice you don't like is long established and accepted?

Real police also never show up in 20 seconds, and can be tanked and killed.

They're a fact of life, deal with it.

We can keep ridiculing you for doing so. Your opinion and preferences are irrelevant in the face of 10+ years of Eve being a successful game, while other games, that disallow things that Eve explicitly allows, have failed miserably.

Keep hoping. CCP aren't dumb, they're unlikely to water down Highsec to a level that you and your ilk will be happy with.

There is that selfishness again.

I'm not a ganker, but I know other people like ganking. because their 15 bux is every bit as good as mine and the maker of the game says it's ok with them, ganking is ok with me (as long as it's not me, which I enforce for myself).

I could never advocate that other people's way of enjoying themselves be nerfed for my own gain or comfort as long as their way of enjoyment is within the rules (EULA). I think the fact that you can advocate for just that says quite a bit about you personally.



Of course you can, no matter how wrong headed the opinion is. Good thing about this though is that the more you post the more you galvanize opinion..... against your opinion...thus making your state goals less likely to occur.

Therefore keep posting.