Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While an interesting idea, and certainly realistic in terms of what real missiles do for tracking their targets, I'm not sure that the server-side calculations necessary for that would be a good thing for lag. I'd love to see CCP try it though.

finally! Thank you dear. Yes that was what I was going for by "outrunning". As soon as a missile runs out of flight time the missile will be removed from the database - 100% application or not that missile will do zero damage.



Very true!
Just ask fidelis constance on their take on (already) 100% application missiles on Caracals.

Using 100% or 1% application HAMs wouldn't do much difference if you get kited at 40+ km and chasing a much faster target.

What I have very carefully considered is movement on the field.

So 100% application or not that 90km max range on my Sacilege is becoming a lot shorter than on any theoretical fitting tool.

In case you were wondering, most fights do not happen in gatecamps and if you ever have engaged in small gang warfare you may have noticed that moving around is cruicial.

With that image in mind let's do another example with that HAM Drake and she is chasing a blaster Deimos which is shooting null M.

That maximum range of 20km for the HAMs will be more close to 5-7km range in this case.

Or that 45km range on a Cerberus will be more close to 22-30km range.

This is true, but as soon as they start dying, they can turn around and run away, negating that range bonus into a range penalty.

Hmm.. Let's say I am in HAM Drake and get chased by an arty-cane or five let's be more realistic .

Let's also imagine I am not very good and do not notice that the canes that are chasing me are at 50km and closing in are not pointing me. So here I am looking for a gate or some other celestial to warp to.

If the client does show it correctly and missile get launched in a straight line, they would have to make a turn to chase at least one of the canes. That "turn" does take missile flight time of the missiles and they have to accelerate first.

At first glance this would still decrease the range but I have to look into this on SiSi first.

I will look into that tomorrow when SiSi is a little more populated.


A little sidenote:
When cruise missiles were buffed and battleships got their changes I did shoot at a Dominix that was 50km away. He did a mjd jump but he was still in my lock range and my cruise missile made a funny "loop" and still hit him.

the OP's idea isn't something I'd approve of.

That said, Missiles need some tinkering.

one problem is the relative limited ways to tinker with the formula, which makes it rather hard to adjust every time some adjustment is made on ships and modules. rigs are the only way to passively adjust explosion radius and velocity for instance.

this has as a side effect that almost every balance step made turns out in missiles being over or underpowered.

lets set aside the changes that directly affected missiles, we all know them or should know them if you're entering this discussion.

But several changes indirectly adjusted missile effectiveness

cruisers and lower got a speed buff (making it harder to hit those ships for full)
armor got a little faster
a large amount of ships got their signature reduced.

I know that effects Turrets as well, but a turrets have better ways to adjust to those changes and because of the complexity of the turret formula, some of those changes weight less on a turret than on a missile launcher.

then there was the buff of medium long range turrets after the nerf of heavy missile.

just to name a few that affected the state of missiles in general.

and then there are a few side issues that not leave the impression missiles are loved by CCP at this moment.

We still have the semi finished Rapid launchers (still no way to switch ammo types in a reasonable time)
and missile training takes an idiotic amount of time, compared to turret training especially now the restrictions on the turret tree are dropped.
and for a weapon system that has as an advantage that it can do multiple amounts of damage it has way to much hulls that have a specific damage bonus.

If you have to keep building in cases like these into your argument, then you need to take a closer look at your argument. Also, almost all of your arguments are cases where missiles aren't good, and you're ignoring all of their positive sides.

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