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data and relic changed

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Artfull dodge
The Tebo Corp
Herd Of Cats
#1 - 2014-11-05 14:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Artfull dodge
maybe im just having a bad run of luck but it seems ccp have increased the spawn rate of the restoration node and the Virus suppressors anyone seeing this trend?

edited for more info:

I have a virus strength of 30 and a coherence of 80 but I'm getting 3-4 suppressors and 2-3 restoration nodes on most hacks, its basically making it impossible to hack anything. Am I wrong about the increases and its just my perception or maybe my skills are terrible ? I thought my skills were prob middle of average.

what experiences is everyone else having ?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-11-05 20:24:17 UTC
Before Phoebe I experienced it to be quite random. I run relics with 30 strength but 120 coherence and explode about 1 out of 5 ruins ... didn't check after Phoebe yet.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Iyokus Patrouette
Buccaneers of New Eden
Liquor Legion
#3 - 2014-11-05 21:34:45 UTC
I am a bad luck bear and often run across those restoration nodes, usually causing me to fail the first time but usually not as bad the second time. I think its bad luck for the most part pro tip though, don't click those white surprise things.. they're never anything good when you're having a badluck day Big smile

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Beness
Vojtech Fekete
#4 - 2014-11-05 21:46:33 UTC
Virus strength of 40 and restoration nodes are still annoying. My experience since Phoebe has been similar to before - some containers will have the restoration and suppression nodes, some won't. Pretty sure I saw 5 restoration nodes in a container last night, but wasn't really counting.

Don't know if you're seeing:

  • More containers with restoration nodes
  • More restoration nodes per container

Regardless, RNG is RNG. Since Phoebe, I have also navigated a container exposing only a single 50/40 firewall before locating the 90/10 system core.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#5 - 2014-11-07 08:13:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
Its totaly random, i've had cans with 4-5 resto nodes and 3+ suppresors and cans with none.. before and after phoebe. Bad luck is bad luck


But i've also had a couple of cans with the system core poping at first click of grid and second or third... So yea, random.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Gustins
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#6 - 2014-11-09 10:25:15 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Before Phoebe I experienced it to be quite random. I run relics with 30 strength but 120 coherence and explode about 1 out of 5 ruins ... didn't check after Phoebe yet.


Same here.. Now after Phoebe with 40 strength and 140 coherence I'm losing 1-2 cans in every second/third site, so I would say CCP definitely has increased defense :( Beside that, I used to get 30 mil in average from one relic site in null before Phoebe, now I'm getting only about 15-20 mil in average and I'm doing them every single day for at least 1-2h day..

Nice buff CCP..
Zarkian Edwards
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-12 18:43:14 UTC
they buffed mission's loot and salvage. now they buff this
xTjoekie Panettiere
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-11-18 14:47:57 UTC
For me the system core also spawns more random then before Phoebe.

It, almost always, used to be in the most opposite corner of the system, nowadays it can be everywhere.

Do you guys/girls also experience this?
CCP Bayesian
#9 - 2014-11-18 14:52:19 UTC
Interestingly we've not changed anything. The sites in WHs and the new exploration sites both expose the harder difficulty tiers to a wider audience though and we've seen a corresponding dip in the success rate. Big smile

EVE Software Engineer Team Space Glitter

Orakkus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-11-18 16:30:25 UTC
I've hit a higher rate of restoration and suppressors too. That being said, I've had access to many, many more sites than previous so the increased chance of failure is appropriate.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Alicia Stormbringer
xLegion of the dammedx.
Moose Alliance
#11 - 2014-11-20 18:36:37 UTC
I did a trinary hub last night in a Stratios took forever with max skills and earnt a whopping 3m isk of datacores waste of time doing them
Meyr
Pirannha Corp
#12 - 2014-11-21 07:08:12 UTC
The difficulty appears to have gone up slightly (I've had a few cans blow up, which hasn't happened in a long time), but the rewards have gone far down. While you state that nothing has changed about the mini-game, the loot tables are seriously screwed up. In one evening, I hit NINE nullsec sites, both data and relic, and flew away with a whopping 31 million ISK in loot. This pattern has continued, for the most part, with the exception of one relic site that was worth approximately 45 million - I'm averaging about 3.5 million per site in nullsec. Considering the time investment needed to travel around, find a site, scan it down, have it be a relic/data site, and run that site, you can probably belt mine in a Venture in any sec status, and make more ISK per hour.

This is not good. Prior to the latest release, I was able to earn a living running around nullsec dropping probes.

No longer can I do that.
Sam Spock
The Arnold Connection
#13 - 2014-11-21 14:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sam Spock
I had an odd experience yesterday as well. I usually only do data and relic sites in High Sec as a sideline to scanning for combat sites. Ran about 5 data sites and came away with the usual decryptors except I had found two Optimized Augmentations and one Optimized Attainment. That's the first time I have found any Optimized decryptors in High Sec.

Over all I ended up getting about 40mil worth of stuff plus one bpc for a Gurista's deployable module from a Relic site. This is probably the best run I have done so far.

The loot fairy is crazy!


Also, I have noticed that the placement of the core seems a bit more random as well. Got it on the first node tried twice this week.

Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#14 - 2014-11-26 15:29:40 UTC
I spend last 3 days in null hacking data/relics. Hacking is fine, i blown maybe 2 cans (for about 30 sites i guess). If you guys have problems with it try rigs/implants for coherence.

As for loot income from relics decreased (I'm not suprised, everybody are doing them), on the contrary data sites have some ISK in them (lowering the volume of datacores and decryptors helped). Generaly speaking hisec combat sites are way more profitable right now (to the point when market crash ofc).

Any uses of these:
High-Tech Data Chip
High-Tech Scanner
High-Tech Small Arms
High-Tech Manufacturing Tools

Anybody looted faction materials added in last patch? Seems quite rare, not a single so far.

Also there are more items at data sites in general, so maybe there's a chance to add some trade goods to the relic cans (those are colony ships after all, why they not contain some good to build colony, something like wheat, small arms, medicines etc., nothing that have real value but looks cool when you open can to see tobacco and spirits).

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Iyokus Patrouette
Buccaneers of New Eden
Liquor Legion
#15 - 2014-11-26 22:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Iyokus Patrouette
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Interestingly we've not changed anything. The sites in WHs and the new exploration sites both expose the harder difficulty tiers to a wider audience though and we've seen a corresponding dip in the success rate. Big smile


So I rolled our C3 Static two days ago and rolled into carebear heaven. Dead system with lots of combat anoms and a tonne of signatures.

Upon scanning down the entire system 16 of these signatures were Null Sec Data/Relic sites. Me being the lazy person that i am Gave the low sec entrance to a friend who loves all that hacking.

Now I spoke to them yesterday. Apparently those 16 site yielded him 180mil from 16 sites and he mentioned that none of the harder null sites seemed to be there.

Is there a cap on the type of null sec sites spawning within wormholes? are the most difficult still exclusive to null sec?




Also i encourage you all to start looking into wormholes and clearing out those Null Data and Relic sites.. Please so i don't have to scan so much rubbish next time ^.^

---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-27 08:40:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shon Anzomi
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
CCP Bayesian wrote:
Interestingly we've not changed anything. The sites in WHs and the new exploration sites both expose the harder difficulty tiers to a wider audience though and we've seen a corresponding dip in the success rate. Big smile




Now I spoke to them yesterday. Apparently those 16 site yielded him 180mil from 16 sites and he mentioned that none of the harder null sites seemed to be there.

Is there a cap on the type of null sec sites spawning within wormholes? are the most difficult still exclusive to null sec?

Also i encourage you all to start looking into wormholes and clearing out those Null Data and Relic sites.. Please so i don't have to scan so much rubbish next time ^.^


I would love to clear them for you and pay 10% as a thank you fee :)

But what does your friend mean by the "most difficult ones"? I don't have the names memorized yet, but there are those 1/20 band or 1.25% signal strenght ones mixed with others as far as I can see. I don't know if higher WH class s have more probablility of spawning such site than say C2-3, but I have seen various ones with various signal strength including those with the weakest 1.25% signature strength.

As for the hacking difficulty: I am just about to finish Archeology V, so I am still hacking relics with T1. I already have hacking V so I do datas with T2 analyzer. I have pulled gamelogs for one long sessions with such dead system run. I had 30% of failed attempts on Relics and about 10% on Datas. It doesnt mean that I blow up 1 of 3 relics, it means that some I blow up and some I have to do twice. I do not have reference point on nullsec sites, since I only joined EvE them recently, but they seem to be doable just fine. Sometimes I get really nasty hack where everything goes wrong, but other than that it seems fair-play to me.
Iyokus Patrouette
Buccaneers of New Eden
Liquor Legion
#17 - 2014-11-27 10:54:32 UTC
Honestly i have no idea what the Null sec style Relic and Data sites are called or how they relate to the sites difficulty. i've spent most of my life in wormholes so they're a new addition.

From what i can gather the hardest sites that have the chance to give a better payout (Once again no idea about what it could be) He hasn't seen in wormholes. including that little gem of a c3 with 16 of the darn things.

As a side note the Null sec Relic and Data sites only spawn in class 1,2,3 wormholes and i have no idea about how they are tabled to spawn, so thought i'd ask and see if anyone actually knows the way it's working.


---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----

Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-11-28 07:42:21 UTC
Well, I made few trips to WH's yesterday and I guess your friend may be right about those nullsec data and relic. I have gone through the list of Null-Sec Signatures and from my experience so far I could only recall the first two or three bands.

But they may just be rare and do actually spawn sometimes in the w-space.

From my observation of these sites in w-space it looks like some systems seem to only have nullsec sites in it and other only sleeper. Sometimes its mixed, but mostly I find systems where all sites are either null or sleeper. I can also see pattern in where the sites are located in respect to celestials and solar system as such too.
Ezra Endashi
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#19 - 2014-11-28 10:10:15 UTC
I noticed that data sites are almost useless. I get around 5 mill ISK per site in nullsec. That waste of time. Mini games are sometimes so hard and after opening the can I find only few thousands of ISK in it. Sad
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-11-28 11:16:02 UTC
I pulled 22 million from two sites just yesterday. I agree that relic sites are more lucrative, but 5 millions per site is probably just bad luck.
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