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Things to do that combine PVP with PVE
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Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1 - 2014-11-02 22:11:02 UTC
Other than POS warfare and FW what are there? I'm talking about for fleets that are fit for PVP.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-11-02 22:27:27 UTC
Not sure what you mean by POS warfare and how it is a PVE activity, but the FW system of "NPC locations serving as focal points for players to collect at and shoot each other in the face" is the only system in the game I can think of that is specifically designed to use PVE elements for PVP content.

There are plenty of PVE activities that can be turned into PVP ones, of course.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-11-02 22:31:28 UTC
You can farm faction, deadspace and even officer mods with PvP ships in any mission hub.

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New Mining Mechanics
Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#4 - 2014-11-02 22:58:31 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Not sure what you mean by POS warfare and how it is a PVE activity, but the FW system of "NPC locations serving as focal points for players to collect at and shoot each other in the face" is the only system in the game I can think of that is specifically designed to use PVE elements for PVP content.

There are plenty of PVE activities that can be turned into PVP ones, of course.



POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.
Marsha Mallow
#5 - 2014-11-02 23:01:05 UTC
Incursions, levels 5s, wormholes, plexing, pirate faction missions. They're all sort of hybrid PvP/PVE because you can be interrupted by other players without Concord stepping in.

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Marsha Mallow
#6 - 2014-11-02 23:02:12 UTC
Cattegirn wrote:
POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.

Yer OK. NEXT.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2014-11-02 23:28:35 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Cattegirn wrote:
POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.

Yer OK. NEXT.


I want to find ways players can directly connect their PVP stuff with my PVE stuff, that's all. It's a nice alternative for players who prefer the PVP side to having something like a high-sec alt, and as an alternative to buying PLEX mostly for the fun of making your PVP mean something strategic for your corporation.

I hope that helps.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-02 23:56:26 UTC
Cattegirn wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Not sure what you mean by POS warfare and how it is a PVE activity, but the FW system of "NPC locations serving as focal points for players to collect at and shoot each other in the face" is the only system in the game I can think of that is specifically designed to use PVE elements for PVP content.

There are plenty of PVE activities that can be turned into PVP ones, of course.



POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.


Because shooting a POS will summon NPC defenders specific to the region it is in to shoot you down in your ratting rattlesnake specifically tanked for the local rats and not the owner of the POS who will be notified in advance when his POS is being attacked/coming out of reinforce and hotdrop you with his bestest of best friends to cave your face in with the best hardcounter fleet composition compared to you/your fleet.

Might as well call pre-dominion sov warfare a purely PVE activity since apparently it requires POSes for system sov.Roll

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-11-03 00:15:03 UTC
Find someone running a 10/10....kill him...get phat lewts

Done

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Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#10 - 2014-11-03 01:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Cattegirn wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Not sure what you mean by POS warfare and how it is a PVE activity, but the FW system of "NPC locations serving as focal points for players to collect at and shoot each other in the face" is the only system in the game I can think of that is specifically designed to use PVE elements for PVP content.

There are plenty of PVE activities that can be turned into PVP ones, of course.



POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.


Because shooting a POS will summon NPC defenders specific to the region it is in to shoot you down in your ratting rattlesnake specifically tanked for the local rats and not the owner of the POS who will be notified in advance when his POS is being attacked/coming out of reinforce and hotdrop you with his bestest of best friends to cave your face in with the best hardcounter fleet composition compared to you/your fleet.

Might as well call pre-dominion sov warfare a purely PVE activity since apparently it requires POSes for system sov.Roll



*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

PVE stands for Player vs Environment. POSs primarily interact with the environment. You set them up to harvest moon minerals or to run industrial applications. Those are strictly player and environment activities.

Defending a POS from attack or attacking another person's POS is a lot like raiding a plex in FW or defending one. And you can be entirely PVP focused. The ships, the fittings, all PVP primarily, while at the same time you're putting that effort directly towards something that makes ISK environmentally.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-11-03 02:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Cattegirn wrote:


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

PVE stands for Player vs Environment. POSs primarily interact with the environment. You set them up to harvest moon minerals or to run industrial applications. Those are strictly player and environment activities.

Defending a POS from attack or attacking another person's POS is a lot like raiding a plex in FW or defending one. And you can be entirely PVP focused. The ships, the fittings, all PVP primarily, while at the same time you're putting that effort directly towards something that makes ISK environmentally.


You're going to meet a lot of people who disagree with this, it makes your original question vague. Violencing a POS in any way involves other players directly as it is their asset that they bought, set up and maintained.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-03 07:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Cattegirn wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Cattegirn wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Not sure what you mean by POS warfare and how it is a PVE activity, but the FW system of "NPC locations serving as focal points for players to collect at and shoot each other in the face" is the only system in the game I can think of that is specifically designed to use PVE elements for PVP content.

There are plenty of PVE activities that can be turned into PVP ones, of course.



POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.


Because shooting a POS will summon NPC defenders specific to the region it is in to shoot you down in your ratting rattlesnake specifically tanked for the local rats and not the owner of the POS who will be notified in advance when his POS is being attacked/coming out of reinforce and hotdrop you with his bestest of best friends to cave your face in with the best hardcounter fleet composition compared to you/your fleet.

Might as well call pre-dominion sov warfare a purely PVE activity since apparently it requires POSes for system sov.Roll


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

PVE stands for Player vs Environment. POSs primarily interact with the environment. You set them up to harvest moon minerals or to run industrial applications. Those are strictly player and environment activities.

Defending a POS from attack or attacking another person's POS is a lot like raiding a plex in FW or defending one. And you can be entirely PVP focused. The ships, the fittings, all PVP primarily, while at the same time you're putting that effort directly towards something that makes ISK environmentally.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
So a POS cannot be used to store ships for an alliance to use as a supply depot for people reshipping or WH'ers use it to store their PVP ships in for a quick reship in case they get invaded? Or how about a POS that is used by a titan to hide in while being a glorified man cannon that will shoot 7 full baltec fleets on your face.

Or did you miss the part where someone can just dump a shitload of ships inside a pos for quick reshipping.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-03 12:03:03 UTC
*Snip* Please refrain from having such a sexy avatar, it's distracting. ISD Kisskiss

POS warfare is not a blend of pve and pvp activity. A pos is a place to run passive pve elements but not somewhere that you being to make money allows players to directly shoot you for pvp. Good combinations of pve and pvp are FW, lowsec incursions, and level 5 mission running, because they bring together pvp and pvers in a target saturated (ideally, for the pvpers anyway) enviroment.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#14 - 2014-11-03 12:31:48 UTC
just PvP some PvE players

Evil RatKid
Hicksimus
Torgue
#15 - 2014-11-03 13:59:45 UTC
Wormholes. In lower class 1 and 2 you can use certain PvP fits to grind some sleeper loot while you wait and in higher classes you can run small gangs with PvP fits and logi while you wait. You can also sit cloaked near an alt miner in a wormhole and wait.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#16 - 2014-11-04 17:13:04 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Cattegirn wrote:
POS warfare is PVE because POS's are essentially PVE activities. Moon mining, and industry.

Yer OK. NEXT.


Well its not completely wrong with comparinv shooting someones POS with pve.

Provided noone is present to defend it - there really is nothing to it other than shooting another static object in space that can barely fight back.
The Tomonator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-11-04 17:24:24 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from having such a sexy avatar, it's distracting. ISD Kisskiss

POS warfare is not a blend of pve and pvp activity. A pos is a place to run passive pve elements but not somewhere that you being to make money allows players to directly shoot you for pvp. Good combinations of pve and pvp are FW, lowsec incursions, and level 5 mission running, because they bring together pvp and pvers in a target saturated (ideally, for the pvpers anyway) enviroment.


yeah, interesting. POS (in the sense of the bubble, as opposed to other strict 'structures') is a weird one. Can be switched between PVE (as a harvester) and PVP (as a sov defender/attacker) easily. Can be one, or the other, or both at any given time. Which is kinda blury. Whereas any 'ship' that at any one point time is truly a PVE ship or PVE ship ... well, it becoems dead in the water 'really' unless you're lucky in PVP. the 'offensive' PVE ship (barge or plex'er) just doesn't really exist at the same time, so is always one, or the other (in the case of the barge only PVE). Also depends where it is ... empire POS will be harder to be PVP & PVE 24/7 (certain contidions need to be met - like active war dec etc).



Dr Beatrox
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-11-04 23:46:30 UTC
incursion in lowsec maybe
ull attract alot of attention, and surprise them when ur fit for a fight
Boom McCondor
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-11-05 18:18:35 UTC
Playing EVE!
Nevil Oscillator
#20 - 2014-11-05 18:44:14 UTC
Cattegirn wrote:
Other than POS warfare and FW what are there? I'm talking about for fleets that are fit for PVP.



Marsha Mallow wrote:
Incursions, levels 5s, wormholes, plexing, pirate faction missions. They're all sort of hybrid PvP/PVE because you can be interrupted by other players without Concord stepping in.



I don't get,what you mean. It is the location that makes the difference to Concord response, not what type of PVE you are engaging, isn't it ?
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