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I don't follow the logic of the last paragraph. How did the risk profile change, even if it is the case that the POS was connected to the guy who launched this bond? Assuming for a second that the figures given in this thread are accurate, the OP has made profits in the 100s of billions range over the course of the bond. Investing some of those profits in endeavours other than the station trading mentioned in the OP would neither change the risk level nor detract from the truthfulness of the initial bond's aim to raise isk for station trading. Indeed, the suggested link between the 28bil figure involved in this bond back over a year ago, and the very broad 25-60bil back of the napkin calculation provided by Aryth seems weak at best, as it implies the completely unsubstantiated claim that this business has been running in exactly the same way and at the same size from the beginning of the bond to Aryth's discovery. The connections being drawn between the business and the bond, beyond the personnel involved, seem, then, to be almost entirely groundless.

I should also note that the inference in the article here:



is also pretty dubious. I don't know if this was turned into a stronger claim than the one Aryth originally made by the writer of the article but the conclusion obviously doesn't follow. Since Crius it has been much less necessary to use a large POS for manufacturing since one no longer needs multiple instances of the same arrays to carry out a large production operation. I just can't see any reason, then, to assume that all the build jobs in the whole system must have been installed at this one POS simply because it was the only large POS in the system.

Edit - That stuff aside, it's a great story and it's fantastic to see some opportunities opened up for economic warfare in highsec. I remember the frustration I felt three years ago when I tracked down the 18 alts of a trader who was undercutting my industrial sell orders (being produced out of four large towers in Geras, coincidentally), scouted down his production location and set The Orphanage on his three large towers. Unfortunately, though, we were competing in a market sector (T3 subsystems) for which the build times were very short and any wardec could be responded to by simply waiting for the current builds to finish, clearing the tower out and then onlining all the hardeners to make shooting the tower a frustrating and pointless exercise. We got two of his three towers before the mercs gave up in boredom but it was a somewhat futile gesture. Worse was the fact I couldn't find anyone who was willing to gank the NPC corp alt Orca he used to haul his goods to market (this was before CODE had become a significant thing). The Crius changes wouldn't really have helped in my situation but I'm glad they are making this kind of thing more viable.

Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol.

A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will.
The risk profile has not changed.
The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment.

I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character.
Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate.
(If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them).

The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article.
http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386

I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not.

flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock.
You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th.

If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly.

Closing Interests paid out: (taking it up to the 24 Oct)
flakeys - 1.8B
Philadelphia lawyer - 1B

Investment ISK returned:
flakeys 18B
Philadelphia lawyer 10B

Thanks again for your invesment :).

Will be more offerings soon™

I certainly will do :). Thanks

Thread locked at the OP's polite request.