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The end of Corpmate Awoxxing?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#721 - 2014-10-31 22:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
PotatoOverdose wrote:
And those players that don't exclusively target ignorant new player corps in hisec
If the corp leadership is ignorant of game mechanics then they shouldn't be leading a corp, and they definitely shouldn't be recruiting newbies.
IMHO a corp that recruits newbies should be in a position to teach those newbies how to protect themselves, without knowledge of game mechanics they aren't in a position to do so, thus they shouldn't be recruiting newbies. (BNI are the exception to the rule, and tbh a lot of the original members were alts of experienced players who were in a position to teach genuine newbies)

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can move on to awoxing low sec corps, awoxing npc 0.0 corps, awoxing sov corps, and awoxing wormhole corps. If they target anyone that will recruit them, then they have a cluster's worth of awoxing opportunity ahead of them.
Post change lowsec, wh's and null will be the only places in which awoxing can happen, the leadership of corps in those areas of space tend to be far more savvy than the average highsec corp and thus less likely to recruit without practising due diligence; although there are always exceptions.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#722 - 2014-10-31 22:42:03 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

It was never about preying on new players like every pro-highsec person wants to assert. It was about preying on people with more isk than brains. Lowsec corporations were not targets as much because they were more aware of the potential for violence than the deliberately ignorant highsec corporations.

You are ignorant of history. Awoxing began in nullsec. Nullsec and lowsec corporations were the first and primary targets of awoxing. Awoxing began in nullsec. It is fitting that it returns to a primarily nullsec/lowsec role.


I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

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#723 - 2014-10-31 22:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
And those players that don't exclusively target ignorant new player corps in hisec
If the corp leadership is ignorant of game mechanics then they shouldn't be leading a corp, and they definitely shouldn't be recruiting newbies.
IMHO a corp that recruits newbies should be in a position to teach those newbies how to protect themselves, without knowledge of game mechanics they aren't in a position to do so, thus they shouldn't be recruiting newbies.

Knowledge of current game mechanics dictates that the wisest course is not recruiting players with little to no history unless you already know them out of game. That's the problem.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

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can move on to awoxing low sec corps, awoxing npc 0.0 corps, awoxing sov corps, and awoxing wormhole corps. If they target anyone that will recruit them, then they have a cluster's worth of awoxing opportunity ahead of them.
Post change lowsec, wh's and null will be the only places in which awoxing can happen, the leadership of corps in those areas of space tend to be more savvy than the average highsec corp and thus less likely to recruit without practising due diligence; although there are always exceptions.

Awoxing began in null, without the use of any mechanics to avoid concord because there was no concord to avoid. And the null entities in question (pandemic legion and goonswarm) were among the savviest entities back then as they are now.
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#724 - 2014-10-31 22:46:08 UTC
La Nariz wrote:

I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#725 - 2014-10-31 22:49:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
And those players that don't exclusively target ignorant new player corps in hisec
If the corp leadership is ignorant of game mechanics then they shouldn't be leading a corp, and they definitely shouldn't be recruiting newbies.
IMHO a corp that recruits newbies should be in a position to teach those newbies how to protect themselves, without knowledge of game mechanics they aren't in a position to do so, thus they shouldn't be recruiting newbies.


So a group of friends that just started the game together should not make their own corporation, if they desire, because ther are newbies? And this group of friends should not invite other players in the same boat?

I can see there is a problem with player retention if the first thing a new player hears is; you should not do that. Espesially in a game where fortune favors the bold.

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Marsha Mallow
#726 - 2014-10-31 22:49:17 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
You are ignorant of history. Awoxing began in nullsec. Nullsec and lowsec corporations were the first and primary targets of awoxing. It is fitting that it returns to a primarily nullsec/lowsec role.

Wrong. They were called assassinations or sprees before the awox tag.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#727 - 2014-10-31 22:49:20 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.


Yes we are, does CONCORD respond in null/low/wh?

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#728 - 2014-10-31 22:49:47 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.



Read the minutes...it specifically talks about awox in hi-sec against noob corps and the new players.

And that is what the OP referenced.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#729 - 2014-10-31 22:49:54 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.


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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#730 - 2014-10-31 22:50:08 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:

I'm aware of that those corporations are the same as the lowsec example I provided. We're here talking about highsec.

No, we aren't. Read the title of this thread. We're talking about awoxing, not hisec. If you want to lament the advantages of hisec, go make another thread.


Read the CSM notes, about which this thread is based.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#731 - 2014-10-31 22:53:32 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
CSM dude when is highsec reward going to be nerfed?


It isn't, too many players in other parts of the game partially finance themselves with said income. If you gutted that the ripples would go much further than you might expect.

To the other person who asked about corp robbery? No I do not see that being on the chopping bl;ock in the (what was the time frame?) next six months.

m


I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there...

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#732 - 2014-10-31 22:54:14 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
You are ignorant of history. Awoxing began in nullsec. Nullsec and lowsec corporations were the first and primary targets of awoxing. It is fitting that it returns to a primarily nullsec/lowsec role.

Wrong. They were called assassinations or sprees before the awox tag.

Cool. *looks at title* I see the word awox. Go make a thread about sprees or "assassinations." Might as well bring up "bounty hunting" while you're going on about terms that are no longer relevant. Blink
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#733 - 2014-10-31 22:55:22 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there...


Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#734 - 2014-10-31 22:55:35 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:


To the other person who asked about corp robbery? No I do not see that being on the chopping bl;ock in the (what was the time frame?) next six months.

m

fair enough, cheers.

any encouraging words regarding corp-corp interactions i.e. wardecs ?

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PotatoOverdose
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#735 - 2014-10-31 22:58:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there...


Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over.

Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#736 - 2014-10-31 22:58:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Knowledge of current game mechanics dictates that the wisest course is not recruiting players with little to no history unless you already know them out of game. That's the problem.
I can't say I disagree tbh. Personally I won't join a corp that doesn't run checks on recruits, it shows incompetence and laziness IMHO.

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Awoxing began in null, without the use of any mechanics to avoid concord because there was no concord to avoid. And the null entities in question (pandemic legion and goonswarm) were among the savviest entities back then as they are now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but awoxing back then was relatively rare and those entities have learnt from it, and embraced the practice to use against others.

Nowadays it's a well publicised practice, yet people still recruit obvious awoxers without doing the most basic of checks, you only have to look at the amount of awoxs Psychotic Monk managed to pull off, despite the characters he was using having killboards full of green on green shenanigans.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#737 - 2014-10-31 23:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there...


Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over.

Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ...


There's already a thread I made about this in the past and provided data for that shows why you are full of swap.avi on this point.

-see post history.

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#738 - 2014-10-31 23:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Knowledge of current game mechanics dictates that the wisest course is not recruiting players with little to no history unless you already know them out of game. That's the problem.
I can't say I disagree tbh. Personally I won't join a corp that doesn't run checks on recruits, it shows incompetence and laziness IMHO.

Quote:
Awoxing began in null, without the use of any mechanics to avoid concord because there was no concord to avoid. And the null entities in question (pandemic legion and goonswarm) were among the savviest entities back then as they are now.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but awoxing back then was relatively rare and those entities have learnt from it, and embraced the practice to use against others.

Nowadays it's a well publicised practice, yet people still recruit obvious awoxers without doing the most basic of checks, you only have to look at the amount of awoxs Psychotic Monk managed to pull off despite the characters he was using having killboards full of green on green shenanigans.

Yes, awoxing has gotten less revenant in null sec, but every now and then it makes cnn, forbes, or the bbc. Cool
PotatoOverdose
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#739 - 2014-10-31 23:10:46 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

I mean seriously Mike, imagine if people went to PVP areas for the resources and income potential that was there...


Imagine if there were areas without concord that had limited resources that were worth the :effort: and fighting over.

Where'd you guys leave the keys to fountain, if you don't mind my asking? Seeing as it's not worth the :effort: ...


There's already a thread I made about this in the past and provided data for that shows why you are full of swap.avi on this point.

-see post history.

I'll read your post, but I'm not wading through 20+ pages of post history, given that most of the first 5-10 pages of your post history link back to this thread.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#740 - 2014-10-31 23:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucien Visteen wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
And those players that don't exclusively target ignorant new player corps in hisec
If the corp leadership is ignorant of game mechanics then they shouldn't be leading a corp, and they definitely shouldn't be recruiting newbies.
IMHO a corp that recruits newbies should be in a position to teach those newbies how to protect themselves, without knowledge of game mechanics they aren't in a position to do so, thus they shouldn't be recruiting newbies.


So a group of friends that just started the game together should not make their own corporation, if they desire, because ther are newbies? And this group of friends should not invite other players in the same boat?

I can see there is a problem with player retention if the first thing a new player hears is; you should not do that. Espesially in a game where fortune favors the bold.
A newbie is welcome to start a corp for fellow newbies, but I believe that it is a bad idea to do so.

If a newbie want to start a corp with fellow newbies then they can do so, but they should familiarise themselves with game mechanics and the consequences of being in a player corp beforehand, even if it's only reading through resources such as the Eve Uni Wiki. Otherwise they're just setting themselves up to fail.

Incidentally, if newbies want information on how to protect themselves and their corpmates from the predatory actions of others they'll find that most of the criminal element in highsec are more than willing to give advice on how to do so. A well informed newbie is a better newbie, and becomes a more challenging opponent in the long run, which equates to more fun for everybody.

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