EVE General Discussion

No, I didn't accuse anyone of botting. I simply stated that you groups actions, regardless of whether it is through choice or bad organisation, has the effect of helping botters.

If you consider bots to be game breaking, why do you choose to attack targets that are clearly not bots, and who are in fact competition to actual bot players? Why thing out the competition allowing bots more profit? If you were really against bots, you would help solo and small group miners in competing against botters and be as disruptive as possible to the mass mining bot fleets.

Don't make me laugh... that's exactly what most people on these forums are... fanatics and zealots.

I also sense a dash of hysterics every now and then...

X-years ago some dungus found a loophole and it got turned into a feature. Now its going cos its contributing to beginning players leaving and tha's costing real money. What is there to understand?

Plenty of room for both playstyles i should say.

You people need to get over yourselves... seriously

It keeps popping up because people in general don't want to talk about the actual issue and instead want to play games with the defintion of PvP. Generally it is presented as a retort when someone tries to define everything in the game as PvP. Usually just to beat down on a person talking about players interested mainly in PvE activities and not interested in direct PvP activities. Defined so broadly it becomes a meaningless concept and stops being useful. More importantly it isn't used to further the conversation. It's used to belittle the point of the opposition and the want of players who don't share their views on an issue. Doing so is a **** weasel thing to do, since it brushed aside the viewpoint of the other person and tries to paint it as irrelevant by just bloating the definition instead of talking to the other person like a human being. If you don't want to see it, try understanding what the person is talking about and counter his points instead of playing word games.

X-years ago the devs called it emergent game-play, this is how we got the mwd-cloak trick.

It's known as General Drama for a reason
There's no need to keep portraying playstyles as PvE vs PvP with no interraction between them. Unless they sell Plexes, most hardcore murderers do dabble in other aspects of the game. They aren't the ones trying to ringfence a particular playstyle from interference by others though, are they?


To be fair Ama, if I wanted to insult PVE players I'd just call them scrubs. Or maybe squealers. There's no point subtly insulting someone too dim to detect it, may as well be direct. You can call us filthy scum if you like, I don't mind.


Erm, what exactly do you think the "p" stands for?

Not destroy, "lessen" is a better word. "unnecessarily lessen" is better still. The principle here is that CCP should NEVER implement game mechanics that do for a player what a player should do for himself.. Players can currently safeguard themselves from awoxxing in high sec via inclusion of a single module (ECM, or even easier, ecm drones), or by having some clue about who they are flying with.

Truth is you've lost it (and you know it0. YOU are the one who said that I should shut about it since it doesn't concern me. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy as it doesn't concern you either (by your own logic, you are not a new player and you apparently don't even live in high sec).

Explain why you get to talk about something that doesn't involve you but you think I shouldn't? Go ahead, this will be fun to hear lol.

You are making assertions from opinions that you didn't use (or need) evidence to form (in this case, the idea that the barriers to entry were LOWER when we started, which is an outright lie given that CCP is on the record saying they are lowering the barriers). What you are doing is displaying an irresponsible way of thinking...and then getting mad at me for pointing out your error.


Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you really not understand? Types of players who want to join in but are currently refused access to corporations because awoxing is possible, currently join the ranks of the solo highsec bear and for the most part quit. If awoxing were not, those same players would be engaging with others and may go on to play for a long time. Long terms players tend to be more capable and motivated to join in conflicts.[/quote]

So you're saying that people play solo because player corps won't let them in? That is pure nonsense. People who want to group up eventually do, people who are solo tend to be the solo mentality types. You're again blaming an external cause (awoxxing) for behavior when most human social behavior has an internal origin. and that's insane.



Good, feel free to stop posting, because the crap you're posting is less than useless, it's useless and incoherent..

Sure, I get my fun because I am playing EVE.

But at the same time, do not discount the players I have helped in return for my "fun" and how many players have sought my advice, directly at the expense of my "fun." Or how I tend to keep a shoestring budget, even when I was flush, instead providing isk and advice to newbies in newbie systems.

In fact, on this character's killboard, there is a Navy Slicer I had killed, quite frankly, accidentally......while in a corp I was spending time learning player movements prior to my "safari." He was a young character that asked me to let him "test his fit." I had forgotten to group my launchers, and left a single missile launcher running on my Griffin. And I gave him back that isk, immediately.

In fact, some of my peers in the HS piracy community have called me "soft" because I would rather show a newbie.....

Hard Lesson > Advice > Financial Assist......

Rather than.......

Hard Lesson > Laugh > "Too bad, that's EVE."

Please don't pretend to know how I play, unless you have doxxed me, read all of my logs, and actually know how I play.

Thanks.

You are spewing dinsdale-esque crap.

You can still awox.

Now you lose a ship.

Why are you risk averse?

I assure you losing a ship will not be the end of everything.

Don't fly what you aren't prepared to lose.

Or...just don't fly........your choice.

Can we haz your stuffs.

This.

+1 to Remiel.