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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#481 - 2014-10-30 22:12:13 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Well, my posting is continuing. I posted the awoxx thread in GD, which sion komitusu or whatever, your chief diplo, just got active in.

But hey, if you think you got tears or hurt my reputation from this, carry on. I fully intend to continue posting in these forums, and am enjoying every darn minute of it.

I get to hang out here with my Code and Goon bros. It's like a visit to the state penitentiary.


Feel free to post but, post well not poorly like you have been for the entirety you've been on the forums.


I'm the best poster in the history of the forums.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2014-10-30 22:14:59 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm the best poster in the history of the forums.


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Zepher Helen Hawat
Malfurion Mining
#483 - 2014-10-30 22:29:19 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The era of the Goon is over just starting.


Fixed it for you.


What



You sir, are a winner
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#484 - 2014-10-30 22:51:14 UTC
It's actually kind of fascinating to read the comments of Sion Kumitomo at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382476&p=18

Despite being the Chief Diplo for Goons he seems to wholeheartedly endorse the awoxx changes, and actually seems to care about new players.

Contrast this with our friend La Nariz here who runs a massive scam recruitment operation replete with false "security deposits" and does everything in power to grief and drive out new players, and with Baltec1 who has no greater joy than suicide ganking and awoxxing, the difference is really amazing.

There are some Goons, even ones in positions of power, who actually want to make the game better, and are not just third rate tear collectors and griefers. Maybe it's time for Goons to spin off a griefer division?
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#485 - 2014-10-30 22:55:51 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm the best poster in the history of the forums.


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I second La Nariz's opinion.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

beakerax
Pator Tech School
#486 - 2014-10-30 23:03:22 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I explained my views in a 2 hour TS session with them.

jesus christ man.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#487 - 2014-10-30 23:08:55 UTC
beakerax wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I explained my views in a 2 hour TS session with them.

jesus christ man.


Trust me, it was more painful for me than it was for you. You can listen at http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/the-accusation.html
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#488 - 2014-10-30 23:13:48 UTC
I believe you.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2014-10-30 23:15:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's actually kind of fascinating to read the comments of Sion Kumitomo at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382476&p=18

Despite being the Chief Diplo for Goons he seems to wholeheartedly endorse the awoxx changes, and actually seems to care about new players.

Contrast this with our friend La Nariz here who runs a massive scam recruitment operation replete with false "security deposits" and does everything in power to grief and drive out new players, and with Baltec1 who has no greater joy than suicide ganking and awoxxing, the difference is really amazing.

There are some Goons, even ones in positions of power, who actually want to make the game better, and are not just third rate tear collectors and griefers. Maybe it's time for Goons to spin off a griefer division?


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#490 - 2014-10-30 23:16:11 UTC
beakerax wrote:
I believe you.


You see the difference between professional trolls and griefers (and not very bright ones at that!) and me, a heroic figure dedicated to improving the lot of the rank and file PvE grunts in highsec, and by extension improving life for the entirety of New Eden.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#491 - 2014-10-30 23:19:20 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?


That would first require entertaining the possibility that Goons actually have a mind to begin with! So no.
Paranoid Loyd
#492 - 2014-10-30 23:20:37 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?


That would first require entertaining the possibility that Goons actually have a mind to begin with! So no.

Personal attacks and class, Tears, personal attacks and class.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#493 - 2014-10-30 23:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?


That would first require entertaining the possibility that Goons actually have a mind to begin with! So no.

Personal attacks and class, Tears, personal attacks and class.


Well - he did start it. The entirety of this thread is an epic troll flame and personal attack.

I do admit that clashing with Code/Goons has the disadvantage of getting dragged down into the mud with them, with the concomitant loss in class. No easy solutions present themselves other than these folks admitting defeat, going home, and not starting up with the great Veers anymore.

And as for tears - ha! This has been an entertaining experience where I have gotten enough attention to go 1v1 with a top guy in Goons and some of the most well known CODE agents. Free publicity, entertainment, and a burnishing of my reputation among the decent folk I do highsec PvE with.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#494 - 2014-10-30 23:38:39 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
beakerax wrote:
I believe you.


You see the difference between professional trolls and griefers (and not very bright ones at that!) and me, a heroic figure dedicated to improving the lot of the rank and file PvE grunts in highsec, and by extension improving life for the entirety of New Eden.


That isn't even a complete sentence. Unless of course you're telling him that he does see the difference as you define it, which is putting your words in his mouth and then claiming he agrees with you. If that's not the case, that is not a complete sentence.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#495 - 2014-10-30 23:39:26 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?


That would first require entertaining the possibility that Goons actually have a mind to begin with! So no.

Personal attacks and class, Tears, personal attacks and class.


Well - he did start it. The entirety of this thread is an epic troll flame and personal attack.

I do admit that clashing with Code/Goons has the disadvantage of getting dragged down into the mud with them, with the concomitant loss in class. No easy solutions present themselves other than these folks admitting defeat, going home, and not starting up with the great Veers anymore.

And as for tears - ha! This has been an entertaining experience where I have gotten enough attention to go 1v1 with a top guy in Goons and some of the most well known CODE agents. Free publicity, entertainment, and a burnishing of my reputation among the decent folk I do highsec PvE with.

Troll only, and content creation, no personal attack present.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#496 - 2014-10-30 23:41:30 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
beakerax wrote:
I believe you.


You see the difference between professional trolls and griefers (and not very bright ones at that!) and me, a heroic figure dedicated to improving the lot of the rank and file PvE grunts in highsec, and by extension improving life for the entirety of New Eden.


That isn't even a complete sentence. Unless of course you're telling him that he does see the difference as you define it, which is putting your words in his mouth and then claiming he agrees with you. If that's not the case, that is not a complete sentence.


Uhmm...fail.... if you listen to the video (mentioned in the previous post) THEN you the see the difference....

Trolling, personal attacks, etc... I can forgive you for. Shoddy knowledge of English grammar (and the gall to call out an expert in the field!) not so much.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#497 - 2014-10-30 23:42:15 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Is this the part where you have the startling revelation that we aren't a hive mind?


That would first require entertaining the possibility that Goons actually have a mind to begin with! So no.

Personal attacks and class, Tears, personal attacks and class.


Well - he did start it. The entirety of this thread is an epic troll flame and personal attack.

I do admit that clashing with Code/Goons has the disadvantage of getting dragged down into the mud with them, with the concomitant loss in class. No easy solutions present themselves other than these folks admitting defeat, going home, and not starting up with the great Veers anymore.

And as for tears - ha! This has been an entertaining experience where I have gotten enough attention to go 1v1 with a top guy in Goons and some of the most well known CODE agents. Free publicity, entertainment, and a burnishing of my reputation among the decent folk I do highsec PvE with.

Troll only, and content creation, no personal attack present.


Trolling is actually not allowed on the Eve forums. I would hate to think that you are knowingly violating forum rules.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#498 - 2014-10-30 23:42:58 UTC
Only Veers would take his "bring me the head of" thread as a personal flame attack. We all have one. Its all in fun. Except for Lucas Kell. His is a flame attack.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#499 - 2014-10-31 00:10:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Well - he did start it. The entirety of this thread is an epic troll flame and personal attack.

I do admit that clashing with Code/Goons has the disadvantage of getting dragged down into the mud with them, with the concomitant loss in class. No easy solutions present themselves other than these folks admitting defeat, going home, and not starting up with the great Veers anymore.

And as for tears - ha! This has been an entertaining experience where I have gotten enough attention to go 1v1 with a top guy in Goons and some of the most well known CODE agents. Free publicity, entertainment, and a burnishing of my reputation among the decent folk I do highsec PvE with.


Yep started at the request of others and for your own posting rehabilitation.

You don't get to claim high and mighty when you are judging other people.

You produced tears, the rest of us enjoyed them, please produce more.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#500 - 2014-10-31 00:26:19 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Uhmm...fail.... if you listen to the video (mentioned in the previous post) THEN you the see the difference....

You were saying?

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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