EVE General Discussion

Hi
I'm kinda looking into the term, "Bitter vet" or "Bitter Veteran" .

I'd love to know when you consider someone a bitter vet or first time thought of yourself as a bitter vet.

Maybe you have a story about something that made you realize you're a vet or maybe not one after all.
Maybe you have an opinion about noobs not being able to be bittervets because they didn't experience the warp to zero or know about learning skills.

Tl;Dr
So in general, anything and everything you have on your mind regarding the term "Bitter Veteran of Eve-Online" is what I am interrested in.

Best regards Dsan
And thanks a lot.

Edit:
Additionally, are you first a true vet when someone calls you one (you can't declare yourself a vet?)
And is it good or bad to be considdered a bitter vet, is it a sign of an inactive player ?

Hehe, I can follow you on that one :D

When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care.
When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt).
When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.

Sounds tough and VERY bitter vet like, I feel less vet now :P

A bitter veteran of EVE has to have two attributes:

1.) An overwhelming sense that things should go their way regardless of anyone else.

2.) What they see as having been around "a long time." (This couples with the first making them "more deserving.")

a. It's not like Napoleon's troops hiking home from Moscow while he grabs a carriage ride to Paris.

b. It's not like Napoleon's troops abandoned in Egypt while he grabs a boat ride back to Paris.

In EVE the bitter vet has more to do with a dysfunction of the ego than with anything else. I'd venture a guess only a handful of players have had experiences that approach a. and b. In fact, I'd say the most difficult part of their lives is the distance between the computer chair and the refrigerator. With this much time on their hands it's easy to understand their minds wandering and becoming filled with visions of grandeur. Then, being denied their just due, the bitterness sets in. It's a form of intellectual nail-biting, however that's a stretch as one must have an intellect to begin with.

Being in possession of an intellect the equation changes. These people realize they aren't supposed to be the focus of all attention on earth, so when it doesn't come to them, they aren't surprised. And, they understand the difference between being a paying customer, and being the owner of a business providing a service in a capitalist economic system.

There is help for the bitter veteran of EVE, but the BVoE has to WANT to be helped.

I think it is a product of being around long enough to hear all the promises from various fanfests and on the forums and then never seeing any of those awesome things come to be or that they come to be in some pale or terrible form.

But it can also be someone who has been around so long that they simply hate change at all. They want things the way they use to be and wear rose colored monocles on both eyes ;)

When you're an idiot who has nothing better to do with his life except to whine on a forum about a game you dislike so much yet can't bear to quit the game and do something more productive with your life.

You know who you are.

They attract flies.

when you look back at how things used to be and miss it, bugs and all. (cmon castor)

You become a bittervet (aka much crying old expert) when you see how much potential Eve had a few years ago and realise that the potential will never be fulfilled.

And then you sign up to Failheap Challenge.