Wormholes

C1s are a great place for pilots to retire in by themselves or with a few close friends. This just makes them that much more attractive...

low risk?

few things, Null is dangerous, right?
well take null, remove the local chat so you have no idea who is in system.
add random spawning gates connecting ANY other null system at any given time.

not exactly low risk.

The trick is to find one with a null static. You can run combat and relic/hacking sites to supplement your w-space income, which gets cut sharply from others coming into your hole and blitzing sites anyway. So having a t3 or two on hand to run DED sites is a very profitable route to go as long as you're basing out of the c1. As long as you have a scan alt (even on the same account) on standby and refrain from unnecessary fights and lie low, you'll generally be left alone most of the time to make a tidy profit and kick back in your own personal slice of space. :)

If you think null is dangerous you do not know how to play the game well. In null you have intel channels and know neuts are bad. In high sec you never know who will gank you and who wont and you do not have intel channels. Worm holes are safer then high sec as well as null (atleast for lower end holes (man that sounds bad). Learn to use dscan often stay aligned out to something.

Are you drunk, or just stupid?

Why do you ask? He is from Marmite!



Unvalid Argument as this belongs to everywhere, HiSec, lowsec, 0.0 and WH space.

@topic: Fozzie, Is it really that bad with low class wormholes? Oh my god ... but OK. Better than the nothing.

I was already preparing to move into a low class WH in the next week or two, so this is great timing. I'll be able to cover the cost of POS fuel much quicker and the extra ISK can go towards ship replacements or better hulls.

So to clear this up for some folks that are fuzzy on the wh isk faucet.

Can you make a billion isk / hour running sleeper escallations? - yes.
Can you make a billion isk / hour for more than an hour? - no

How it works: A capital escallation is around 700mil isk. From the time you take to start the site until it's finished could be as little as 12 min. 1 miniute to land and get settled. 10 min for 2 siege cycles on the dreads. 1 minute to get in to warp to the next site.

We'll just use round numbers and go with 15 min/ site. So 4 sites / hour at 700 mil / site. That's 2.8 bil / hour. Where do I sign up?? There is more to it. To get that 2.8 bil in an hour you need a minimum of 5 guys (2 dreads/2 carriers/1 webber). If you use less pilots it will take a lot more time as you shuffle caps to get the full escallation. The min to get the 2.8 bil in an hour is 5 pilots. So divide 2.8 bil by the minimum 5 guys you're down to just over 500 mil / hour. (which is less than the 1 bil / hour advertised).

Other things to consider. The number of sites in the system. There are only so many. Many days you don't even have 4 sites. Sleeper sites aren't like null anoms. If you complete one, then it does re-appear, but not in your system - so it's gone. The practice is you run them for 3 days and then they pop by themselves. I've lived in 2 different C5 and a C6. I can't recall the average number of sites in the C6, but for a C5 I would say it would average 4 sites. So the average isk / hour is 2.8 billiion AND (because they don't instantly respawn) the average isk / day is also 2.8 bil.

So, I can make 2.8 bil isk / hour, but I have to split that isk between at least 3 players (assuming you dual box the dreads and carriers) which is super, but the down side is that I can only do that once per day. So I would caution you about isk / hour and isk / day - they are quite often the same thing in a C5 and C6 wh.

The other things to consider are you have to take time to scan the data and relic sites down, which is time invested into running those sites that I didn't calculate in to the isk/hour math. There are wh to scan out and guard, bubble or close before you run sites. That's more time to reduce the isk/hour number.

If you want a reasonable number for a C5 wh running capital escallations - I would use 3 billiion isk / day and divide that by the number of humans in the wh. That's the income in a C5. The isk / hour is a skewed number in wh and the isk / day is a better way to go just based on the fact that sites respawn not in your system, which prevents 5 hour farming sessions. Farming is quick, dirty and over in a wh.

Many ppl left WH cause of Hyperion wich directly increased the risk vs reward ratio ergo lower ISK per hour so by increasing the ISK (reward), I think it is pretty good now.

lmao no one left WHs because rolling holes is too hard. Even if they did, Higgs rigs will now put battleship roundtrips at 500m kg. If a C5 corp can't get 6 people together in battleships to roll their static, I don't know what to say.