EVE General Discussion

TL:DR: CONCORD need to redraw their protectorate map, to better reflect player demographics in 2011, not 2003! Interested? read on...

Back in 2003, when everyone was a noob, the EVE map was open space for everyone. Empire space was where everyone started out, and if you wanted PvP or richer pickings for more risk, you ventured into null. Pretty much everyone travelled freely between the two, running the gank-gauntlet of choke points between the two. Everyone had to travel down the pipes to get in and out of null, and most people did!

The game has changed a lot since then. Alliances, jump-bridges, bubbles and blobbing... the list has been well documented on these forums. These have all changed the dynamic, we now have much less travel between hi-sec and null, with the player base split into stereotypes of nullers, w-holers, carebears etc.

What hasn't changed much in all that time is the sec status of systems, and the CONCORD presence in them. Some hi-sec systems have a large Concord presence, but have almost zero pod pilot's present. Other low-sec and null-sec systems have a high population, or have become busy, vital trade routes... yet with sero CONCORD presence.

So isn't it about time the officals at CONCORD redrew the map? Their precious resources should be deployed where they are needed to protect the people, not twiddling their thumbs or browsing the NeX catalogue in empty systems.

Before you all start trolling, just think about this for a minute. Vast tracks of hi-sec empire space would become either low-sec or even abandoned altogether, becoming null. In exchange, a modest number of null systems would gain a CONCORD presence... mostly trade routes, I'm guessing. Most importantly, the massive single bloc that is null would become much more accessible as the pipes are opened up through CONCORD protection... and there would be many smaller null-zones right in the middle of hi-sec space. The close proximity between null and high sec areas would dramatically increase interaction between the two, and the current cosy alliance map would have to be partially redefined.

CONCORD protected highways into null, lots of new 'rat runs' opening up, nullsec constellations in the heart of hi-sec... Sounds like a lot of fun for everyone!

Interesting idea. But many people would rage.

Is it really a lot of work for CCP? I was thinking a simple alogrythm, where sec status is derived from player generated statistics such as 'average number of pod-pilots in space during the last month', or something like that.

Yes, it would mean a lot of work for some players. But then that's part of the purpose, to stir things up a bit. I would imagine CONCORD would make announcements about the changes well in advance.

Except lowsec is the opposite of that. The rats are not "better enough" compared to level 4's to justify the risk of ganks. There are only a handful of systems dedicated for gud fites, even there it's a miracle when it's actually a good fight and not a bait and blob. Trade in the state of eve is a very small nice, and anyone that does trade runs through lowsec regularly likely does so in a blockade runner.

oh god

Err, I think you missed the point. The new null would still be dragon land, exactly the same mechanics as now. Only it would be in different systems, and a lot of it will be where hi-sec is now.

Pretty sure most of these hubs would not take kindly to CONCORD passing through, and they aren't covered for a reason.



Sounds like every police force, ever?



This accomplishes nothing except outraging nearly every single group of players.



They're already pretty damn close, and interaction between them is quite high, especially considering most alliances supply the majority of their hub markets with highsec goods. Alliance level production tends to be focused on fleet ships and modules.



the highways already exist. and riskless high value rat runs? doesn't that kind of defeat the whole point of risk versus reward? its only the core mechanic of EVE...

Alot of people will troll as it's unfashionable to agree with posts like this, but I could see this, if executed properly being a refreshing change.

So basically, Caldari space would become 100% high-sec and everywhere else would be even more dead than it is now.

I've been pushing this for years. Sec status on the empire border systems should be dynamic.

Pirate missions should be opened in lowsec, and concord missions to oppose them. They help to raise and lower the sec status of a system but also factor in other things as well (population average, other NPC kills, FW)

The empires need a divide. They are no longer distinct.. everything might as well just be a blob of ~whatever~.

Ever travel from Amarr to Rens?

There are two ways to go. One is short but takes you through lowsec. The other is much longer but is completely hisec.


The Kaap highway needs to be removed.