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LOVE IT/HATE IT/OPINION AFK.... AFK CLOAKING TO BE REMOVED!!!!!!!!!

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-10-30 10:56:55 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay?

Not true, I can have an AIMbot play for me...um wait, what?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2014-10-30 10:58:17 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way.


Its countered by the fact that an AFK cloaker cannot do anything.
Alice Johansen
Holes with Worms
#23 - 2014-10-30 11:04:45 UTC
Just remove cloaked characters from local.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#24 - 2014-10-30 11:06:37 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Sorry but anybody who says being AFK is valid gameplay is an idiot. If you are AFK you are not playing so where's gameplay?


I say someone who doesnt understand how being afk is part of the gameplay is an idiot.
When I enter local all bears hide in station. Now I have 2 options, leaving system and going afk or semi-afk (reading forums). While I am watching TV or bang my gf the bears seeing me in local are forced either to come out ratting with me in local or stop playing (leaving system is too much for many as it involves using a gate), which possibly puts me into comfortable position of finding a bear in belt 2h later which I can pewpew I couldnt before thanks to local. You see how being afk is part of gameplay now?

local works fine both ways, for bears safety and for the attacker too (stalking, psychological warfare).


Thing is when you are banging your gf you are not playing Eve unless she's jumping on your junk while you are clicking around and looking over her shoulder. And if you are not playing the game you are not part of gameplay. Just my opinion and we can argue about it till Christmas without any resolution because right now game works how it works and we can do nothing about it.

Regardless of cloakies being AFK or not, game mechanics should promote activity not lack of it.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2014-10-30 11:28:17 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:

Regardless of cloakies being AFK or not, game mechanics should promote activity not lack of it.


They do, hence why when you afk cloak you can do nothing.
Myassa
Chaktaren Industries
#26 - 2014-10-30 11:30:50 UTC
I have learned from my time in null that there is a very easy and simple counter to the afk cloaky camper. Use your own cloaky camper to camp the cloaky camper! They seem to hate that and do not stay in system for very long. I am guessing they do not want to blop something and then in turn get blopped themselves. All I know is that it works great!
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2014-10-30 11:31:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:


But the fact of the matter is that a cloaker can not be engaged until the cloaker himself decides to engage. In other words, a cloaked ship can not be countered in any way. That's bad game design at its core and does need to be fixed in some way.


Its countered by the fact that an AFK cloaker cannot do anything.


That's not a counter, that's a restriction on the cloaker's part. It doesn't help any potential attacker to kill him.

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Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#28 - 2014-10-30 11:38:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Presidente Gallente
This is the never ending posting on the forums for ages.

I can understand that pure carebears have a problem with afk-cloakers. But the problem is based on the fact that they are not able to or maybe not prepared to or maybe too lazy to or finally not willing to counter them.

Time by time we have afk-cloakers in our primary ratting system. At the first glance it might be annoying. But for a true PvPer it isn't. I for myself do Anoms. If we have an afk-cloaker I simply do a break and do something else. The idea of the enemy is to stop a corp/alliance from making ISK or to catch carebears. As someone with a rich wallet I don't care. And so do most of EXE.

I just start to collect as much intel as possible. The easiest way is to look at the killboards. If there's nothing special because it's a fresh char you can find out by baiting. There are not really many options what could happen: tackle for Blops, tackle for hot-drop (if the system isn't cyno-jammed), tackle for support next door (like Interceptors), tackle for a solo kill (yes, come to me and die!).

So now tell me: where's the threat? All options can be countered if you can bring a fleet. If not: do something else. Leave the system and the afk-cloaker will disappear after a few days because it makes no sense to waste a char staying in an empty system forever.

Conclusion: counter instead of complaining. There's no problem in EVE what can't be solved.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2014-10-30 11:40:19 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


That's not a counter, that's a restriction on the cloaker's part. It doesn't help any potential attacker to kill him.


Its also not a threat to anything because it cannot do anything.

Shall we now force people to undock from stations or leave a POS?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-10-30 11:42:17 UTC
If AFK cloaking is so bad how come no one badmouths my AFK cloaker in highsec mission hubs huh HUH!?!
CHECKMATE ATHEIST!!

HECK EVEN MY AFK CLOAKER IN WH SPACE GET'S IGNORED!!! XXXXXPEOPLE EVEN IGNORE MY AFK CLOAKY IN LOWSEC!!!EvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvilEvil

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2014-10-30 11:43:32 UTC
And here we have a fine example of 'seeing what you want to see' in a statement.

Heres the facts - nowhere in that document does it say that AFK cloaking is going to get removed, all it says is that CCP might take a look at the interactions between covert cloaks and covert cynos at some point in the future.

Stop reading something that isnt there into it simply to support your stupid dislikes.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-10-30 12:00:39 UTC
Almethea wrote:
remember the static ice belt? people cant no more 'camp' a belt.


Perhaps but the new ice belts appear as warpable objects on the probe scanner.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#33 - 2014-10-30 12:11:57 UTC
Nobax wrote:
Make all local like wormhole local...

Problem solved.


Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down.

Problem solved differently.

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Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#34 - 2014-10-30 12:24:15 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Nobax wrote:
Make all local like wormhole local...

Problem solved.


Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down.

Problem solved differently.


This has been recommended thousands of times and it's stupid because an active cloaker needs some freedom (on grid). If you are able to get just the possible position by probes you destroy what cloaks are made for: not visible on scan, hide your position in a system.
Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
Wreckflix and chill
#35 - 2014-10-30 12:26:02 UTC
To make it more clear. Claiming for probes to find cloakers is like claiming for a 99% resistance because you can't tank the enemies DPS.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#36 - 2014-10-30 12:41:04 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:


Invent probes to "ping" cloacked ships and hunt them down.

Problem solved differently.


which problem? there isnt any except of whiners not being able to farm in 100% safety.
Josef Djugashvilis
#37 - 2014-10-30 13:34:30 UTC
I just love the fact that a single cloaked ship can scare the bejasus out of so many tough guys.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#38 - 2014-10-30 14:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Persifonne wrote:
Session: Nullsec, Page 61

"CCP Fozzie - We have said in the past that we want there to be more interesting game play there. AFK
cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power. To me, it is the equivalent of posting on the
forums until someone stops ratting. It has the same physical impact in many ways. ..."


CAREBEAR BUFF #238 of 2014

When they finally make this game like WoW... peeps just gonna go play WoW instead


+1

I never understood all the crying about afk cloakers. It took me 13 seconds to figure out what to do:

[Typhoon, screw U AFKguy]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Micro Jump Drive
'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Speed Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Berserker II x3
Valkyrie II x2
Warrior II x1


I lost one ship fit like this to a hot drop over the course of 4-5 years. Then CCP introduced the MJD and it got even safer.

I said this in another thread but i'll say it again to all the anti-afk cloak whiners: Why are you playing a game about thinking if you don't like to think about ways to win/survive?
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#39 - 2014-10-30 14:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashlar Maidstone
This is by far the most rediculous post I have seen yet to date about something I do myself, and there is no way in hades that Im gonna change in what so ever how I play using this method of gathering intel or whatever. This has become probably the top news story of the century and believe me if I were CCP, I be planning on hiding somewhere much safer than an iceberg.

AFK Cloaking is here to STAY, so get over it.....PiratePiratePiratePiratePiratePiratePiratePiratePiratePirate
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#40 - 2014-10-30 14:26:16 UTC
Crying about AFk cloaking in null, where null should be dangerous... and not for solo play/rating but in groups that would make em a bit safe but not fully.


Why not remove/nerf local in null... it can't be afk cloaked if you dont know it's there

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
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