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CSM9 MINS .. AWOXING SOON TO BE GONE!! CORPMATES CANT HARM EACH OTHER!

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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-30 03:20:34 UTC
CCP Masterplan - We're looking at changing three things before the end of the year. First is the intracorp aggression rules - At the moment all members can now freely aggress each other. We are looking to change this so that being in the same member corp does not give you the right to legally kill your corp mates. The main goal of this is to make recruitment safer for the recruiter and the recruitee.


From page 70something of just released CSM9 mins. They on and on about Awoxing and basically how they hate it and are going to stop it. Only way will be to have clean api, join and wait 3yrs to become director and then loot hanger.....

WHAT??

WHY??

HUH?

Discuss
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-10-30 03:24:09 UTC
There's an official thread for discussion:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382373&find=unread

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-30 03:26:09 UTC
This thread is specifixally about the end of corp violence and it is for general discussion. Not the devblog comments to be buried and hidden until they take away awoxing forever one day. This is a general discussion on if you should be able to shoot corpmates
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#4 - 2014-10-30 03:28:24 UTC
Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different?

Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-30 03:30:58 UTC
They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6 - 2014-10-30 03:32:16 UTC
It makes sense. When you join a corp, you become vulnerable. One of those ways is AWOXing.

Removing legal AWOXing really just buffs hisec.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#7 - 2014-10-30 03:33:47 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp.

Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec.

Duel your target.
War dec your target.
Suicide gank your target.

All 3 of those options are known and endorsed.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-10-30 03:35:03 UTC
When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#9 - 2014-10-30 03:39:55 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp.

Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec.

Duel your target.
War dec your target.
Suicide gank your target.

All 3 of those options are known and endorsed.


Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.

Risk should be removed for all those daring, brave HiSec pilots who run missions and mine.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#10 - 2014-10-30 03:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Xuixien wrote:

Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.

Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills!

Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2014-10-30 03:44:08 UTC
Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.




Plushies Paradise.. here we come!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#12 - 2014-10-30 03:45:50 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.




Plushies Paradise.. here we come!


Man up! Grow a pair! If you want PvP, go to LowSec! P-ssy!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#13 - 2014-10-30 03:48:13 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online.




Plushies Paradise.. here we come!

Yes, all catalysts come with plushy launchers instead of blasters from now on. Roll
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-10-30 03:50:01 UTC
CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris.

No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps.

So remove wardecs!!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2014-10-30 03:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different?

Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept.



The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.

EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflict and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it.

Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such? I "grew up" as a player (and learned to survive the game as a pve player) during those times, when EVE resembled a Biker Bar. Now it's starting to feel like a drum circle at UC Berkely where everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels.
Anthar Peva
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-10-30 03:52:43 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.

Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills!

Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish.

Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#17 - 2014-10-30 03:54:15 UTC
Anthar Peva wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP.

Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills!

Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish.

Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing.

Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought!
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#18 - 2014-10-30 04:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Jenn aSide wrote:

The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp.

Thereby increasing social interaction and player retention. And that's bad because....?

Jenn aSide wrote:

EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflcit and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it.

Yeah, bullshit. Awoxxing isn't about creating conflict, and never has been. Awoxxing was always about the tears.

Jenn aSide wrote:

Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such?

Bullshit again. Eve was not a more robust game 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, or 1 year ago. The state of eve, as a game, has only improved since then. Sub numbers don't get released because CCP used a bullsh*t conflated metric of eve+dust players in one "universe" to claim 500k, and now stating any number not above 500k would look embarrassing.

Jenn aSide wrote:
everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels.

You're right about this bit. But the estrogen in the room is coming from the would be tear-collectors, moaning about having to lose a catalyst to concord every now and then. Pathetic.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-10-30 04:25:21 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
*carebear bullshit*


I don't understand why people play a multiplayer video game if they don't like conflict and danger.

I've resisted the urge to invite mission runners I don't know into my corp because of the potential for awoxxing (which is why I only let friends in and don't charge any tax). After this change, I won't have to worry about that, I can set my corp tax to some low percent, invite mission runners to come (enticing them with access to some things like the abilty to go rat/mine in null if they want to sometimes) and sit back and rake in the isk from doing very little. I'd benifit from the change.

It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato), but the rest of us understand that making a sandbox pvp game 'safer' for anyone (except actual true "just subbed" newbies) is bad for the game.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#20 - 2014-10-30 04:45:29 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
*carebear bullshit*


It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato)

I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good.
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