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Why doesnt mining make more isk?
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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-10-29 23:34:11 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Supply and demand.



This.

There are too many miners.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#42 - 2014-10-29 23:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
To put it a different way....people in nullsec are making piles of money and if they want ore they can buy a pile of alts which will all be self-sustaining and then some in the isk department. It's a side profession for people in nullsec and so you are doing alt work and you are getting paid like an alt for it.

Edit: And that's the downside of having nearly unlimited ore and so many types of minerals in highsec.....mining is easy while you pay attention to the important characters.

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Cattegirn
Imperial Guardians
Tactical Narcotics Team
#43 - 2014-10-30 00:02:46 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.




Different activities scale differently.


Could you explain what you are referring to?
Anthar Peva
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-10-30 03:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Peva
Well for one, the activity requirement. I know you can semi-AFK rat, but I don't think it was intended to be done like that. I doubt they intended mining to be anything but semi-afk isk making, because it's like structure bashing. But alone.
Josef Djugashvilis
#45 - 2014-10-30 16:40:08 UTC
[quote=Cant tell Ifserious]I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#46 - 2014-10-30 17:05:22 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Supply and demand.



This.

There are too many miners.


And not enough ship destruction. Hopefully that is about to change with the low/ null changes.

Three things make this game possible. Harvesting, building, destruction. For the longest time now, we've only seen two of these happening. That needs to change and CCP seems to be taking steps to get that balance back again.

It will take some time to burn through the massive stockpiles of ships sitting in the currently stagnant null alliances, but I have faith that we'll see some interesting gameplay in the future that will boost the price of minerals again.

Mr Epeen Cool
Notorious Fellon
#47 - 2014-10-30 17:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Notorious Fellon
Simple answer:

Because the activity requires little interaction. As soon as mining cannot be done afk and it actually becomes more engaging and maybe even a touch more risky then the ores supply will drop as AFK miners can no longer perform the task. Thus, prices go up.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-10-30 17:50:28 UTC
The ease of macro managing a group of miner is what kills it at the end of the day. Players can do the work of tens without breaking a sweat so the work of a single character become about 1/10th or less of a player. If it was not possible to make it afk or via automation/cloning of imput, the pay would probably rise a bit.
Cant tell Ifserious
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#49 - 2014-10-31 00:02:58 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Simple answer:

Because the activity requires little interaction. As soon as mining cannot be done afk and it actually becomes more engaging and maybe even a touch more risky then the ores supply will drop as AFK miners can no longer perform the task. Thus, prices go up.



you cant afk mine in nullsec. You have to worry about battleship rat spawns that kick ur ass and over powered interceptors warping to your belt.....
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-10-31 13:59:00 UTC
Cant tell Ifserious wrote:
you cant afk mine in nullsec. You have to worry about battleship rat spawns that kick ur ass and over powered interceptors warping to your belt.....


Sure you can. Just have one guy in the belt watching with fleet warp on.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#51 - 2014-11-01 05:16:05 UTC
Cant tell Ifserious wrote:
I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(

I make at least 60 mil/hour with 1 orca and 2 hulks mining blue ice in hs. I think thats pretty good. In null i guess i could make 100mil/hour by replacing the orc with a rorq. Am i wrong?

Btw. While mining i watch tv or youtube on the second screen.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-11-01 09:26:59 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.

Edit:
Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup.


rorq boosts yield by 100% with max links (between speed and amount mined) so IF you were factoring hauling out of the equation, ie, actually had the rorq on site like ccp wants, and mined directly into it, you make the same isk/hour with 2 hulks as 1 hulk 1 rorq.

However, with incursions a single decently skilled player can make over 100m an hour between isk and LP. Same with fast blitzing level 4s. Or even soloing level 5s in a passive tengu.

100m an hour takes THREE or more hulk pilots. (or 2 + rorqual)
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-11-01 10:25:36 UTC
This is an AFK cloaking thread isn't it???
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-11-01 12:40:50 UTC
Mark O'Helm wrote:
Cant tell Ifserious wrote:
I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(

I make at least 60 mil/hour with 1 orca and 2 hulks mining blue ice in hs. I think thats pretty good. In null i guess i could make 100mil/hour by replacing the orc with a rorq. Am i wrong?

Btw. While mining i watch tv or youtube on the second screen.



Ignoring ice belt size for a minute here;

60m an hour with 1 orca 2 hulks. perfect orca boosts = 70% yield/hour boost. So your base yield on the 2 hulks is 35.28m/hour.
Perfect rorq boosts = 100%, so your nullsec isk/hour = 70.56m. Lets say null ice is worth 15% more/hour, that puts you at 81.15mil an hour.
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#55 - 2014-11-01 16:58:30 UTC
Arronicus wrote:



Ignoring ice belt size for a minute here;

60m an hour with 1 orca 2 hulks. perfect orca boosts = 70% yield/hour boost. So your base yield on the 2 hulks is 35.28m/hour.
Perfect rorq boosts = 100%, so your nullsec isk/hour = 70.56m. Lets say null ice is worth 15% more/hour, that puts you at 81.15mil an hour.

My Orca Boost is not maxed out. Neither are my Hulks. And i mine ore too if the 3 Ice belts around my home are out. Its just more profitable, easier and more sozial to mine ice, together with 20 other pilots, then standing all day long alone in a belt, although its less stressful.
So there is more to gain for me i guess. I cant wait to see the change of the rorqual to come.

Sorry for my bad english.

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-11-02 04:54:49 UTC
To put it simply: Selling ore and minerals is ultra competitive and people need high turnover compared to high profit. If Miners sold their ore for more, ships and modules would also have to increase their prices to sell profitably, and they'd have to then RISK not selling units as often. Same with miners.

Everyone's willing to sell their time and effort as cheaply as possible because they don't want to opt for something better.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#57 - 2014-11-02 05:25:11 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Everyone's willing to sell their time and effort as cheaply as possible because they don't want to opt for something better.

Maybe i understand that incorrectly, but doesn't want everybody sell their time as highly as possible?

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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2014-11-02 06:58:38 UTC
That's true, you'd think that, but then again look at how low people have to price their ore in order to sell.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
#59 - 2014-11-02 07:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mark O'Helm
I only look for the best buy order in 2 regions (i live in a border system) and sell it right there. Blue ice = 240000 - 245000 isk. Would i refine ... i mean reprosses it. I would only make around 224000 isk. And i had to haul it a longer way. (There are 2 buyers, who try to outdo each other.) Better price for me. Big smile

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#60 - 2014-11-02 11:35:28 UTC
Cant tell Ifserious wrote:
I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.

Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?

shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(


because too many people farm afk-money, many have their own isbotter mining fleets.