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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Agallis Zinthros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1361 - 2011-12-14 03:31:46 UTC
I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.

I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.

Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.

Amarr Victor Owner / operator of http://local-spike.com, an EVE-focused PVP blog
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#1362 - 2011-12-14 04:47:43 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened.


Exposure through gaming press to feed ego?


Pseudo e-fame to bad mouth CCP?! Say it ain't so..

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1363 - 2011-12-14 05:03:00 UTC
Agallis Zinthros wrote:
I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.

I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.

Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.


Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did.

Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit.

As long as we get something I spose.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1364 - 2011-12-14 07:51:22 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Gee. I wonder how that change could possibly have happened.


Exposure through gaming press to feed ego?

Huh?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1365 - 2011-12-14 07:51:30 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Agallis Zinthros wrote:
I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.

I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.

Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.


Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did.

Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit.

As long as we get something I spose.


Frankly, I wouldn't count on getting anything WiS for a long while. Our last hope are the minutes,and that's a very slim hope as both Trebor and very specially Vile Rat have been feeding the political correctness: Jesus, aka "that big succesful feature that turns four rocks into 50,000 subscribers" is dead. And the last "Jesus" was Incarna, which means CCP now will handle their ass to nullsec and the long row of horny broken features, while Incarna specificlaly, and the whole WiS in general, become that broken feature nobody is gonna look upon for years.

Exactly as CCP and the CSM are doing with this thread.

I am still waiting for Meissa Anunthiel to answer my mail (likely he's got a hell of a backlog Roll), but I don't really trust to hear any good news.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
ISVRaDa
Iberians
#1366 - 2011-12-14 08:19:29 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler


/signed

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Amelia Ryan
CONCORD Operations
#1367 - 2011-12-14 08:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Amelia Ryan
Issler Dainze wrote:
Reading the CCP CEO interview I was taken by this comment.

"but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. "

I don't agree, we certainly do want FiS but that doesn't mean we don't wasn more WiS. I think a lot of us do! And leaving WiS as single player prison cell CQ is a reminder that CCP can't keep its promises. The interview makes it clear there is no plan in the works or even being discussed to take WiS beyond the prison cell.

So if you wanted WiS please post in this thread because I think a lot of us want CCP to deliver more of what they have promised use for years now.

DO NOT ABANDON WiS!!
LET US OUT THAT DOOR!!!!

Issler


/signed.

We gotta realize that WiS is still in early stages and needs a lot of work before the EVE community will accept WiS as a worthy expansion.

And by god it can actually become a success if CCP keeps in mind what EVE Online is all about.

FiS was probably the right move by CCP to work on, because if they worked on WiS, they would probably haven't gotten much done that adds to the gameplay in this expansion.

But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing.
Freezehunter
#1368 - 2011-12-14 09:56:05 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Joshua Aivoras wrote:
Please stop raging at CCP for this, it was Microsoft that made it PS3 exclusive.

Fucks given: 0

It's CCP that got the brilliant idea to make a competitive console FPS, in a market which is already filled to overflowing with FPSes, with subpar controls, and expecting it to not suck dilz through a straw. If they'd said they wanted to make it for the PC, I'd actually want to play it. As it is, given how much I absolutely loathe any and all FPSes on consoles, especially competitive multiplayer FPSes, it'll be a cold day in hell before I even consider looking at DUST.


Post of the ******* year, seriously.

I agree 100%

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Miss B Havin
Doomheim
#1369 - 2011-12-14 10:33:28 UTC
Unless we get barfights in WIS or hand to hand combat in station scrap wis...
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#1370 - 2011-12-14 10:38:02 UTC
I don't want walking in stations.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1371 - 2011-12-14 11:07:26 UTC
Comboduck wrote:
I don't want walking in stations.

Don't use it, then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Freezehunter
#1372 - 2011-12-14 11:10:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
I don't want walking in stations.

Don't use it, then.


I am pretty sure he meant:

I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game.

There, better?

Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that...
I certainly do.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1373 - 2011-12-14 11:14:14 UTC
Amelia Ryan wrote:
But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing.

They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1374 - 2011-12-14 11:22:05 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
I don't want walking in stations.

Don't use it, then.
I am pretty sure he meant:

I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game.

There, better?

Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that...
I certainly do.

While we agree on DUST, I'm afraid we're going to have to disagree on WiS. I love the concept of it, and I think it'll make EVE appeal to a much broader customer base, and as such is still necessary. I don't think it's an important enough feature that it'll magically save EVE, so while I want it to go ahead just to get an even deeper universe, I don't want them to do this instead of, as you say, fix bugs and balance **** that's already in game.

Which is why I'm personally saying that at least the next expansion should not be focusing on WiS, maybe even the next if they realize that the backlog of broken **** to fix is huge enough that they need two expansions to fix everything. Not that I'm saying "DON'T TOUCH WIS", but at the very least it shouldn't be the main focus.

Once they've settled FiS to a more playable and dynamic state, please, do bring on WiS.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1375 - 2011-12-14 11:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Flamespar wrote:
Agallis Zinthros wrote:
I think more small steps like CQ can get the project on track.

I'd personally like to see bars with in-game gambling and exotic dancers. That would be good enough for now.

Crucible took care of a LOT of my woes with Eve's space gameplay. This was a great expansion for PVP.


Perhaps this is the best way forward for Incarna. Each release having a focus on FiS with smaller addition for WiS - much as Crucible did.

Although personally I don't want to be drip fed content for WiS over the next few years. Personally I would rather an expansion that largely delivers the complete feature in one hit.

As long as we get something I spose.


Agree 50% Smile

I think they should focus primarily on the core FIS content but i would like them to iterate on what we have now in Incarna.

CCP should dedicate a small team to further develop CQ's and then over time, they could implement the larger public areas (WIS).

Suggestions for CQ improvements:

Arrow Optimize the graphical performance

Arrow Add functions the the TV screen - It shouldn't just display random stuff. We should be able to choose what we want to see, display the IGB on it, watch eve related community videos like Clear skies, Alliance tournaments, etc.

Arrow Invite a player into your CQ

Arrow add the mini games to CQ and allow us to play them with friends either face to face or from our separate CQ

Arrow If your corp has an office in a station, this should be a CQ open to the corp

Arrow Allow us to upgrade our corp and personal CQ through the NEX store.

After all this is done, the technology should have been sufficiently developed and the concept properly thought out enough that CCP could implement WIS.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1376 - 2011-12-14 11:40:25 UTC
It will be much better if CCP spend their time on balancing races and making new ships instead of spending their time on something that no one needs. It's like very very*10^23 small group of people want it.

I used CQ for like 5 mins and never turned it on again.
To be correct, none of my friends use it.

Why so serious about nothing?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1377 - 2011-12-14 11:54:29 UTC
Fix My Lasers wrote:
It will be much better if CCP spend their time on balancing races and making new ships instead of spending their time on something that no one needs. It's like very very*10^23 small group of people want it.

I used CQ for like 5 mins and never turned it on again.
To be correct, none of my friends use it.

Why so serious about nothing?

You used CQ for 5 minutes and then you ignored it because it adds nothing. When CCP completes WiS, it will add something. In fact, I suspect it'll add a lot, and mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens. It's just a matter of not treating it as a jesus feature, and focusing on it to the detriment of the rest of the game.

In fact, I'd almost go so far as to say that just adding ships for the sake of adding ships is worse than not adding ships at all. If something must be added, there must be a clear and concise plan behind it, and the more ships they add, the harder it becomes to balance everything so that everything is viable in some form or another. Case in point, everything gallente the last few years.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#1378 - 2011-12-14 17:16:57 UTC
You're all madmen. Why not just get on TS or mumble or - gasp - EVE Voice and talk to your corpmates. If you're so desperate to see their mute faces stare at you while a disembodied voice laughs at whatever lolcat link you've just sent them in corp chat, just open their avatar from the character panel and stare at it intently until the straining in your eyes causes pinpricks of light to erupt across your vision, smearing the view and making the blank collection of pixels look like it's anything other than a waste of developer time.

Seriously. The image you have in your head of Walking in Stations is nothing like any reality that could ever be achieved by a company like CCP. Why not communicate with the people directly through some sort of telephonic medium instead of watching their expressionless pixel blob faces clumsily clip through glasses of Quafe while sitting stock still in a glitchy and aliased table in the middle of a deserted and lifeless room.

You'll never, ever get what you imagine. Let it go.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1379 - 2011-12-14 17:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Freezehunter wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
I don't want walking in stations.

Don't use it, then.


I am pretty sure he meant:

I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game.

There, better?

Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that...
I certainly do.



wrong mister Freezehunter

99,99 % is happy about the last patch ,done in 6 weeks stated by CCP

but a lot are disappointed by the fact they can do a lot in such a short time and don,t find a way to get a few % of their workforce back to WIS (i didn,t say Incarna)
And most of all they lack response on a thread like this. even maybe that 90 % you think of

R.S.I2014
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1380 - 2011-12-14 21:20:31 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Amelia Ryan wrote:
But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing.

They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well.


Dev's have stated now that those CQs are out there are NO/ZERO/NADA/BUPKISS resources on any additional WiS work. And we have a CSM re-enforcning that decision.

So unless someone keeps speaking out for WiS development to continue in some form we won't ever get through that door.

Issler