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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#301 - 2014-10-28 18:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Even your entertainment value is fading.
I'm not aiming to entertain you, I tell it how I see it.

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I ALWAYS use inuitive arguments and common sense
Demonstrably false.

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I'm the guy who is against all the charts and numbers.
Because they'd prove all of your claims to be fabrications?

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But trust me, you are another guy who the more you attack me the better I feel, and if you would praise me I would be concerned.
The only time you'll ever get praise from me is when you announce that you're quitting Eve and admit that you've been playing the wrong game all along.

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The professional forum trolls/insult throwers don't get much credibility in my book, sorry.
Good job I'm neither then isn't it? Any credibility coming from you would be invalid as you lack any of your own.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#302 - 2014-10-28 18:55:43 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


Like I said I am the space 1% and as a content creator I am obliged to produce. Look at all the content I've created for C&P by having this thread started. You're the EVE version of no-name am radio radical political talk show hosts so enjoy whatever celebrity status that is.


Well, do keep up the good work while your alliance and coalition are disintegrating, and you may soon need a new job.

And I guess thanks for the free profile bump.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#303 - 2014-10-28 18:56:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
But apparently significant enough to make a thread about - transforming him into an Eve celebrity? Does anyone know or care who you are? Nope. But now random people know who I am, and that Goons/Code hate me.

Who ever said we hate you? You create too much content for us to 'hate' you. Hate the way you post and what you stand for maybe, but you? Certainly not.


Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.


We don't hate anyone it's a game if we met at fan fest none of this would matter but, I would try to get a beer out of you.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#304 - 2014-10-28 19:05:36 UTC
I'm going to break one of my own rules of forum warrioring here by returning to a topic I said I was done with, and for that I apologize, but I feel very strongly about a subsequent post. -1 E-honour for me.

Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.

Both in real life and in EvE, killing rarely has anything to do with hate. Most often it's about opportunity, sometimes it's about passion, but rarely is it about hating the intended target.

Anecdotal evidence of this: I am now friends with people I met by relieving them of their ship by way of my guns. That's hardly indicative of hatred towards my victims. They were targets of opportunity whom I had never met before, not some hated arch-nemesis. From speaking with others, I can confirm that I am not alone in this experience. Further anecdotal evidence of this: many CODE. pilots were formerly victims of CODE. ganks. If CODE. pilots hated their victims, they wouldn't welcome them so openly into their ranks.

Do you have any evidence of player who gank legitimately hating their victims? The only hatred I ever see is that of anti-gankers hating gankers (see Anslo's earlier, multiple "fat nerd" posts in this very thread as an example).

The whole "tear collection" bit amongst gankers, while rather obnoxious to me, isn't really hate, it's just being an *******.

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Paranoid Loyd
#305 - 2014-10-28 19:05:51 UTC
He who produces the most tears must buy the beers?

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#306 - 2014-10-28 19:06:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
But apparently significant enough to make a thread about - transforming him into an Eve celebrity? Does anyone know or care who you are? Nope. But now random people know who I am, and that Goons/Code hate me.

Who ever said we hate you? You create too much content for us to 'hate' you. Hate the way you post and what you stand for maybe, but you? Certainly not.


Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.

That's not at all true. I've tried to kill guys from numerous groups that I hold in the highest esteem. Some of them I succeeded and others I did not. It's a game, killing each other doesn't have to be personal.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#307 - 2014-10-28 19:08:50 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
The only hatred I ever see is that of anti-gankers hating gankers (see Anslo's earlier, multiple "fat nerd" posts in this very thread as an example).
To be fair I think Anslo was trolling for lols and to maintain his image, however good or bad it may be.

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#308 - 2014-10-28 19:09:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh ya...I'm the problem.

Glad you finally recognize the truth. Oh you were sarcastic, damn, so close to enlightenment.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Tengu Grib
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#309 - 2014-10-28 19:12:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
The only hatred I ever see is that of anti-gankers hating gankers (see Anslo's earlier, multiple "fat nerd" posts in this very thread as an example).
To be fair I think Anslo was trolling for lols and to maintain his image, however good or bad it may be.

Or to encourage people to come hunting him.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Tengu Grib
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Caldari State
#310 - 2014-10-28 19:14:14 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
But apparently significant enough to make a thread about - transforming him into an Eve celebrity? Does anyone know or care who you are? Nope. But now random people know who I am, and that Goons/Code hate me.

Who ever said we hate you? You create too much content for us to 'hate' you. Hate the way you post and what you stand for maybe, but you? Certainly not.


Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.


We don't hate anyone it's a game if we met at fan fest none of this would matter but, I would try to get a beer out of you.

There's only one person I wouldn't want to share stories with over a few drinks, and that person is not Veers, and neither is it Anslol.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#311 - 2014-10-28 19:17:05 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
There's only one person I wouldn't want to share stories with over a few drinks, and that person is not Veers, and neither is it Anslol.

It's me, isn't it? I knew it! Frickin' Fedo breath! Blink

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#312 - 2014-10-28 19:17:16 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I'm going to break one of my own rules of forum warrioring here by returning to a topic I said I was done with, and for that I apologize, but I feel very strongly about a subsequent post. -1 E-honour for me.

Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.

Both in real life and in EvE, killing rarely has anything to do with hate. Most often it's about opportunity, sometimes it's about passion, but rarely is it about hating the intended target.

Anecdotal evidence of this: I am now friends with people I met by relieving them of their ship by way of my guns. That's hardly indicative of hatred towards my victims. They were targets of opportunity whom I had never met before, not some hated arch-nemesis. From speaking with others, I can confirm that I am not alone in this experience. Further anecdotal evidence of this: many CODE. pilots were formerly victims of CODE. ganks. If CODE. pilots hated their victims, they wouldn't welcome them so openly into their ranks.

Do you have any evidence of player who gank legitimately hating their victims? The only hatred I ever see is that of anti-gankers hating gankers (see Anslo's earlier, multiple "fat nerd" posts in this very thread as an example).

The whole "tear collection" bit amongst gankers, while rather obnoxious to me, isn't really hate, it's just being an *******.


To clarify, killing targets of opportunity does not involve hate. Putting up a bounty, using locator agents, and targeting a specific person to kill them would normally constitute some form of hatred, as is the purpose of this thread. You don't do this kind of stuff to people you like!

As far as for gankers hating their victims I actually see a lot of evidence of it. Whether it's calling them "carebears" or "pubbies," saying that "they are not real players," trying to wardecc them into NPC corps, enjoying their "delicious tears," or trying to blow them out of the game entirely, a lot of those things demonstrate at least some level of contempt and hatred to me.

CODE hates their victims for choosing to play EvE as PvE "carebears," which obviously has no bearing on forgiving them if they renounce their ways and join CODE.
Valkin Mordirc
#313 - 2014-10-28 19:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Veers Belvar wrote:


Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.




Yes because every corp I wardec I have a personal vendetta against them. They kill my father, ran over my dog. Drowned my cat, burned my house down, cheated me with a russian jiggalo, crapped in my yard...so on and so forth blah blah blah.


"EVE is Real"


Also I don't HATE you Veers. I don't like you at all very much. I'm sure once the Anon mask of the internet is off, you generally wouldn't be like you are here.


But I haven't gone out of my to 'kill' your space pixel either. So no I don't target people I hate or dislike. Specially note on a forum. If a person would get so infuriated that they would bring out of the forums, not because they think it's funny, (IE: this thread) but because they are actually angry. It proves a point that they might have a slightly problem dealing with anger.


On the note of I only 'kill' people I hate,


My entire corp, barring, 2 people of the three that founded the corp. Are mostly, members of corps we decced, blew up, and had a good laugh. We merced a dudes Vargur once, and he is now probably the best friend I have in EVE.

So no, I don't kill because I hate people. I kill because it makes me friends. =D
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#314 - 2014-10-28 19:26:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
To clarify, killing targets of opportunity does not involve hate. Putting up a bounty, using locator agents, and targeting a specific person to kill them would normally constitute some form of hatred, as is the purpose of this thread. You don't do this kind of stuff to people you like!

I do that kind of thing to people whom I think it would be entertaining to do so to. EvE is a game after all, and I play it to be entertained. Liking them or disliking them has nothing to do with it.

Veers Belvar wrote:
As far as for gankers hating their victims I actually see a lot of evidence of it. Whether it's calling them "carebears" or "pubbies," saying that "they are not real players," trying to wardecc them into NPC corps, enjoying their "delicious tears," or trying to blow them out of the game entirely, a lot of those things demonstrate at least some level of contempt and hatred to me.

"Carebear" is a common term that pretty much everyone uses. "Pubbie" is, to the best of my knowledge, a Goonswarm thing. Goons are a whole topic unto themselves that I won't get into here. Far more commonly, I hear that gankers "aren't real PvP-ers", and should "go back to losec" despite the fact that often, when they do go to losec, they mop the floors with the locals whom berate said gankers and tell them to "go back to hisec". Go figure.

Veers Belvar wrote:
CODE hates their victims for choosing to play EvE as PvE "carebears," which obviously has no bearing on forgiving them if they renounce their ways and join CODE.

They hate the style of play, not the players partaking in it. It's a subtle but significant difference. If you believe the quasi-religious roleplaying often associated with it, in their eyes they're actually trying to uplift and save their targets which is hardly indicative of hate.

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CODE Agent AC
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Safety.
#315 - 2014-10-28 19:31:26 UTC
Veers, I am not sure adding another rookie ship would be worth it. I mean I have already ponied up enough assets for what I feel it is worth.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2014-10-28 19:34:44 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
There's only one person I wouldn't want to share stories with over a few drinks, and that person is not Veers, and neither is it Anslol.

It's me, isn't it? I knew it! Frickin' Fedo breath! Blink


It's iz none of us go to fan fest for the sternest non-violent telling off.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#317 - 2014-10-28 19:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
To clarify, killing targets of opportunity does not involve hate. Putting up a bounty, using locator agents, and targeting a specific person to kill them would normally constitute some form of hatred, as is the purpose of this thread. You don't do this kind of stuff to people you like!
Nope that is called playing the game within the ruleset defined by CCP, that ruleset allows us to inflict consequences on others for their actions ingame and on the forums; hatred has nothing to do with it, it's also fun.

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As far as for gankers hating their victims I actually see a lot of evidence of it.
Citation needed, without evidence this is purely speculation, not that I expect any better from you.

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Whether it's calling them "carebears" or "pubbies," saying that "they are not real players," trying to wardecc them into NPC corps, enjoying their "delicious tears," or trying to blow them out of the game entirely, a lot of those things demonstrate at least some level of contempt and hatred to me.
If it's ingame it's not personal, it's part of the game, that's like saying people who play WoW as Horde hate people who play WoW as Alliance outside of the game, it simply isn't true, I would hope not anyway.

You should also look up the origin of the terms "carebear" and "pubbie" they are by no means unique to Eve and have been around for a very long time in the gaming world.

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CODE hates their victims for choosing to play EvE as PvE "carebears," which obviously has no bearing on forgiving them if they renounce their ways and join CODE.
Nope CODE. hates the way that they play the game, not the actual people.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2014-10-28 19:39:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
I'm going to break one of my own rules of forum warrioring here by returning to a topic I said I was done with, and for that I apologize, but I feel very strongly about a subsequent post. -1 E-honour for me.

Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is a clue sherlock, you try to kill people you hate, not people you like.

Both in real life and in EvE, killing rarely has anything to do with hate. Most often it's about opportunity, sometimes it's about passion, but rarely is it about hating the intended target.

Anecdotal evidence of this: I am now friends with people I met by relieving them of their ship by way of my guns. That's hardly indicative of hatred towards my victims. They were targets of opportunity whom I had never met before, not some hated arch-nemesis. From speaking with others, I can confirm that I am not alone in this experience. Further anecdotal evidence of this: many CODE. pilots were formerly victims of CODE. ganks. If CODE. pilots hated their victims, they wouldn't welcome them so openly into their ranks.

Do you have any evidence of player who gank legitimately hating their victims? The only hatred I ever see is that of anti-gankers hating gankers (see Anslo's earlier, multiple "fat nerd" posts in this very thread as an example).

The whole "tear collection" bit amongst gankers, while rather obnoxious to me, isn't really hate, it's just being an *******.


To clarify, killing targets of opportunity does not involve hate. Putting up a bounty, using locator agents, and targeting a specific person to kill them would normally constitute some form of hatred, as is the purpose of this thread. You don't do this kind of stuff to people you like!

As far as for gankers hating their victims I actually see a lot of evidence of it. Whether it's calling them "carebears" or "pubbies," saying that "they are not real players," trying to wardecc them into NPC corps, enjoying their "delicious tears," or trying to blow them out of the game entirely, a lot of those things demonstrate at least some level of contempt and hatred to me.

CODE hates their victims for choosing to play EvE as PvE "carebears," which obviously has no bearing on forgiving them if they renounce their ways and join CODE.



Big difference between disdaining a view point and hating someone. Which is something you are failing to grasp. You don't get our culture and have stated you hate us so I'm going to leave it at you are a pubbie.

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Jonah Gravenstein
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#319 - 2014-10-28 19:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Nariz wrote:
I'm going to leave it at you are a pubbie.
I'm technically a pubbie too, lumping me in with the likes of Veers is an insult Cry

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#320 - 2014-10-28 20:17:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
I'm going to leave it at you are a pubbie.
I'm technically a pubbie too, lumping me in with the likes of Veers is an insult Cry


Look at it like a Venn diagram:

Humans:
-goons -pubbies
Pubbies:
-people, -dinsadles
dinsadles:
-crazy conspiracy theorists, -self righteous loons.

You aren't anywhere near veers.

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