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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#241 - 2014-10-28 15:13:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

A typically intentionally stupid Goon response. The point was that in game actions like bumping can absolutely constitute harassment, and no is saying HTFU or other stupid things like that.


No, its pretty clear from your post history you have trouble separating what is in-game from what is out-of-game. Its why you claimed we were all horrible evil people in real life because we ganked the poor helpless AFK miner (that would not have been helpless had they been at the keyboard and paying attention).


Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2014-10-28 15:22:23 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.


You're projecting and generalizing way to much here. Take a step back got to your library and read about this sort of thing before you insult people with your ignorance.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#243 - 2014-10-28 15:22:53 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.
Which part of the Role Playing aspect of playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game do you fail to understand?


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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#244 - 2014-10-28 15:24:27 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.


You're projecting and generalizing way to much here. Take a step back got to your library and read about this sort of thing before you insult people with your ignorance.


Lolz, no thanks. I am unfailingly accurate as always. In fact the miserable self-hating griefers created this whole thread, not realizing that in doing so they are perfectly exposing their own deep moral imbecility.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#245 - 2014-10-28 15:25:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.
Which part of the Role Playing aspect of playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game do you fail to understand?




I think I didn't understand the part where chasing people around space using locator agents and bumping them is considered harassment, or the part where mocking people on coms while role playing is considered harassment.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#246 - 2014-10-28 15:27:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.

Note the word "can" in your statement. I'm sure that there are some here who are total jerks outside of EvE and carry that attribute into New Eden, but my experience with the players I've met indicates that this is not the norm.

The goal of chess is to defeat your opponent. Said defeat includes a certain degree of misery. Does the fact that I enjoy playing, and winning chess, thereby inflicting misery on my opponent, speak volumes about me?

Like chess, EvE is a game. People play it to "win". Everybody has different definitions of winning though, and sometimes these definitions bring people into conflict. That's what makes EvE so interesting.

I play EvE to have fun. I enjoy the planning, tactics, and strategy involved with various forms of combat in EvE. Often times, said fun involves blowing up stuff that belongs to other people. Sometimes, my stuff gets blown up in the process. Such is EvE.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#247 - 2014-10-28 15:28:17 UTC
Okay. I'll admit it. The Fedo thing was due to certain legal issues that I'd rather not go into detail about. Long story short, I'm no longer allowed within 1000 meters of a Fedo due to this. So I'm going to move the Fedo reward up to anything over 50 corpses as I have to get the little bastich out of my CQ within the next two weeks as dictated by law.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#248 - 2014-10-28 15:30:11 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Okay. I'll admit it. The Fedo thing was due to certain legal issues that I'd rather not go into detail about. Long story short, I'm no longer allowed within 1000 meters of a Fedo due to this. So I'm going to move the Fedo reward up to anything over 50 corpses as I have to get the little bastich out of my CQ within the next two weeks as dictated by law.

I will gladly relieve you of said Fedo. I haven't feasted in some time and I grow...hungry....

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#249 - 2014-10-28 15:34:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.
Which part of the Role Playing aspect of playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game do you fail to understand?




I think I didn't understand the part where chasing people around space using locator agents and bumping them is considered harassment, or the part where mocking people on coms while role playing is considered harassment.


Why don't you petition a GM about it because no matter how many CCP Falcon posts we refer you to about the issue you refuse to believe the facts. Reality denial only hurts you.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2014-10-28 15:35:38 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Lolz, no thanks. I am unfailingly accurate as always. In fact the miserable self-hating griefers created this whole thread, not realizing that in doing so they are perfectly exposing their own deep moral imbecility.



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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#251 - 2014-10-28 15:36:09 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.

Note the word "can" in your statement. I'm sure that there are some here who are total jerks outside of EvE and carry that attribute into New Eden, but my experience with the players I've met indicates that this is not the norm.

The goal of chess is to defeat your opponent. Said defeat includes a certain degree of misery. Does the fact that I enjoy playing, and winning chess, thereby inflicting misery on my opponent, speak volumes about me?

Like chess, EvE is a game. People play it to "win". Everybody has different definitions of winning though, and sometimes these definitions bring people into conflict. That's what makes EvE so interesting.

I play EvE to have fun. I enjoy the planning, tactics, and strategy involved with various forms of combat in EvE. Often times, said fun involves blowing up stuff that belongs to other people. Sometimes, my stuff gets blown up in the process. Such is EvE.


I think Chess is a poor analogy. The controversial type of activity in Eve is the one that is "allowed" but "criminal." Also "griefing" is a thing in Eve, but not so in chess. Chess has a very simple and proscribed set of rules, so it's all either allowed/disallowed. Eve has a much more complicated set of rules/standards/exploits/griefing, and allows a greater scope of emotional involvement.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#252 - 2014-10-28 15:37:05 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Your in game actions can absolutely reflect on your out of game values. The fact that the only enjoyment you get from the game revolves around inflicting misery on others speaks volumes about you, and who the rest of the Goons, really are.
Which part of the Role Playing aspect of playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game do you fail to understand?




I think I didn't understand the part where chasing people around space using locator agents and bumping them is considered harassment, or the part where mocking people on coms while role playing is considered harassment.


Why don't you petition a GM about it because no matter how many CCP Falcon posts we refer you to about the issue you refuse to believe the facts. Reality denial only hurts you.


Actually I quoted the GM post where he said that using locater agents to chase people around and bump them can absolutely be harassment. Why don't you try reading next time? Or do Goons not believe in that?
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#253 - 2014-10-28 15:48:44 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I think Chess is a poor analogy. The controversial type of activity in Eve is the one that is "allowed" but "criminal." Also "griefing" is a thing in Eve, but not so in chess. Chess has a very simple and proscribed set of rules, so it's all either allowed/disallowed. Eve has a much more complicated set of rules/standards/exploits/griefing, and allows a greater scope of emotional involvement.

I disagree. The basic rules of EvE are rather clear, even if the mechanics are somewhat more complicated.

1. Other players may shoot you or bump you when you undock.
2. Other players may scam you out of goods or ISK via contracts and trade windows.
3. Hostile NPCs will shoot you when they encounter you in space.
4. The only thing stopping the above from happening to you is you.

Pretty straightforward really. And I say this as someone who doesn't partake in suicide ganking or scamming.

People getting emotionally involved in a game is a separate issue entirely and can happen in any game, including chess.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2014-10-28 15:51:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually I quoted the GM post where he said that using locater agents to chase people around and bump them can absolutely be harassment. Why don't you try reading next time? Or do Goons not believe in that?


I read it and I'm certain you are confused hence I think you need to petition a GM and get an answer. Specifically with this text "Is it against the rules for people to use locator agents to chase people around and bump them when they have a specific in-game reason, like not paying for a permit and being a thundering anus on the forums?"

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#255 - 2014-10-28 15:52:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually I quoted the GM post where he said that using locater agents to chase people around and bump them can absolutely be harassment. Why don't you try reading next time? Or do Goons not believe in that?

Again, with the word "can". It's judged on a case-by-case basis.

I disagree with your general view on griefing and harassment, but I do completely agree that a uniform standard for such behaviors would be nice. CCP has stated that they don't want to draw "lines in the sand" because then people will walk right up to them without crossing. I'm not sure I agree with that stance, but I understand it. In the mean time, a certain vagueness permeates edge cases, and I dislike that vagueness just as much as you do.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#256 - 2014-10-28 15:54:53 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually I quoted the GM post where he said that using locater agents to chase people around and bump them can absolutely be harassment. Why don't you try reading next time? Or do Goons not believe in that?


I read it and I'm certain you are confused hence I think you need to petition a GM and get an answer. Specifically with this text "Is it against the rules for people to use locator agents to chase people around and bump them when they have a specific in-game reason, like not paying for a permit and being a thundering anus on the forums?"


What about doing it just because you feel like making the guy cry?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#257 - 2014-10-28 15:57:51 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually I quoted the GM post where he said that using locater agents to chase people around and bump them can absolutely be harassment. Why don't you try reading next time? Or do Goons not believe in that?

Again, with the word "can". It's judged on a case-by-case basis.

I disagree with your general view on griefing and harassment, but I do completely agree that a uniform standard for such behaviors would be nice. CCP has stated that they don't want to draw "lines in the sand" because then people will walk right up to them without crossing. I'm not sure I agree with that stance, but I understand it. In the mean time, a certain vagueness permeates edge cases, and I dislike that vagueness just as much as you do.


I don't think it's very vague at all. The implication is that targeting a specific player with repeated legal in game actions (example - bumping) absolutely can be a disallowed form of harassment. You don't find that in chess. That is something unique to a "sandbox" game like Eve, and suggests that CCP recognizes that in game actions can be used to achieve out of game emotional impacts.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#258 - 2014-10-28 16:21:06 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Okay. I'll admit it. The Fedo thing was due to certain legal issues that I'd rather not go into detail about. Long story short, I'm no longer allowed within 1000 meters of a Fedo due to this. So I'm going to move the Fedo reward up to anything over 50 corpses as I have to get the little bastich out of my CQ within the next two weeks as dictated by law.

I will gladly relieve you of said Fedo. I haven't feasted in some time and I grow...hungry....

Fedo eating MONSTER!

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#259 - 2014-10-28 16:26:00 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Okay. I'll admit it. The Fedo thing was due to certain legal issues that I'd rather not go into detail about. Long story short, I'm no longer allowed within 1000 meters of a Fedo due to this. So I'm going to move the Fedo reward up to anything over 50 corpses as I have to get the little bastich out of my CQ within the next two weeks as dictated by law.

I will gladly relieve you of said Fedo. I haven't feasted in some time and I grow...hungry....

Fedo eating MONSTER!
They taste great when wrapped in bacon and slow roasted at 220°C for 4 hours, serve with roast potatoes, carrot and swede mash, greens of choice, lashings of gravy and some bread and butter to mop the plate with afterwards.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#260 - 2014-10-28 16:29:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Lolz, no thanks. I am unfailingly accurate as always. In fact the miserable self-hating griefers created this whole thread, not realizing that in doing so they are perfectly exposing their own deep moral imbecility.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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