EVE General Discussion

You want to go suspect for 60 minutes after your criminal flag has expired ?

Dunno, for a minute then you got me thinking they are invincible

All a suspect flag does is let other people freely shoot you. Having a -5 sec status also allows other people to freely shoot you as well as other drawbacks. Therefore, having a suspect flag means nothing to the -5 person since they're already worse off anyway. For the newbie gankers with a -2 sec status, this also doesn't matter because it just acts like -5 while they're losing sec status blowing people up; they'll soon be -5 anyway. Downgrading flags with added timers won't change anything.

I'm really not seeing -5 sec status that often in high sec.

well.

in a nutshell.

"nice lamborghini you got. can I drive it ? but only around the block" - from a random stranger.

same thing.

You just have been stupid i.e. naive.

It makes me think, why do they think I care that much ?

That's even more true than you know, double standards are at the heart of 'carebearism'.

Care bears want "to be left alone" to do what they want, but what they want to do involves actions that have a measurable impact on others. Every unit of ore they mine decrease the value of everyone Else's ore. Every NPC bounty they receive lowers the value of the isk in everyone Else's wallet. Every LP store item they acquire does the same thing. They KNOW this.

Yet they claim that they "aren't hurting anyone and stay in high second so should be left alone". If they wanted to be "alone" and didn't care about the money {*} they'd be playing on SiSi, or would be playing another space based mmo (like Star Trek Online that by designed doesn't allowed unwanted pvp) or would be playing X-Rebrith where other players can't even get to them at all in any way because it's a single player game.

No, what they really want is to have their cake (ie gameplay in a multiplayer environment where actions matter) and eat it too (total safety against OTHER people's actions mattering). At the heart of carebearism is a deep and unrepentant selfishness that this game world would be so much better without.

As a PVE player (but not a carebear) I understand and accept that the price I pay for doing what I want (exploring, mission running etc) is having to spend time and effort on protecting myself and my interests from players who (legitimately within the EULA) have competing interests, whether it's that guy in Jita undercutting my price on Virtue implants or that guy in Osmon who just went suspect in Osmon as he steals my mission objective (hah hah fool, I'm +9 to Sisters of EVE, i just fail the mission and get another, good luck selling that thing you tried to extort me for on contracts ).


I despise true carebears so much that I'm going to Washington DC about it. I'm going to form a PAC (political action committee) to lobby congress for anti carebear laws. My PAC will actually be named, well, PAC... "PVErs Against Carebearism". Don't forget to vote in November!


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{*} just to add, i remember before the 1st incursion nerf how many in the community railed against the changes because "imaginary space money doesn't matter, I run incursions for the community aspect" CCP nerfed incursions and the same community that didn't care about the isk F'd off back to missions or faction warfare to make better money, leaving the incursion communities they claimed to love behind to die until CCP slightly un-nerfed them.

I guess it really was about the imaginary space money after all

i agree with u but this wouldnt happen if the bears had teeth.

do the police do that in real life? or do people get off scott free all the time for things like gbh and assault.

a friend of mine was attacked by another dude choked and slammed up against a wall all in front of cctv. police didnt want to know.

If you walk around the city flashing your cash and ur expensive **** do u think that people will not target you. also dont you think they would be less likely to target you if u were also extremely muscular and known to not take bullshit from people?

You said something to the effect that there is a large amount of players who just want to be left alone. this indicates to me that there are a lot of you. more so than the gankers. what if they banded together got lots of cheap frigs and literally swarmed the gankers. located them using locator agents found them and plagued them some more.

Your saying you shouldnt have to do this.

get real.

If youve been ganked u have killrights. use them or make them available.

well life isnt cushty all over.

there are places...

on earth...

where people eat other people...