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EVE isn't dying?

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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-10-28 12:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Balshem Rozenzweig
Hey guys,

maybe too short to start a topic of it's own, but it's general discussion so I decided to go for it.

People keep saying eve subscription numbers are falling. Do we have any proof for that?

My memory might not serve me well but I started playing about a year ago (october even) and remember usually seeing 25k as number listed for people online. Now - that has gone up to 35k-ish now. Why the change? I'd imagine that plex prices going up by (I think...) 150 mil from 650 (I think...) mil to around 800 would cause the the reverse tendency in amount of alts logged in.

This is kinda evidence for the contrary - that the number of subscriptions did not fall but raise.

Cheers,
Balsh

Disclaimer - I don't really care that much if the number of subscriptions fell or went up. I don't think EVE could change to better or worse regarding systems' population anyway so I kinda feel safe. I'm more interested in people explaining why they think the number of players went down and how they explain why the number of people logged in went up. Ofc it could be me remembering wrong in which case - sry ;-)

"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2014-10-28 12:22:19 UTC
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#3 - 2014-10-28 12:36:00 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
What Is Dead May Never Die


Surely it can decompose.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Ulon Naus
BSE Protection Agency.
#4 - 2014-10-28 12:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ulon Naus
Eve died a frew years ago... What we are going to see now is a sloow decent of subscribers over a long period. "happens to all games."

Lack of content for endgame players. Lack of proper NPE. and a game where funds have been funneled into other projects. Will ultimatley neglect the game it self.

Its not really a bad thing it happens. CCP is really pushing for changes. and its badley needed.

without more and harder endgame content for bored vets. they stop. If it where to me.. id give players a new mutch harder thing to skill for. Not space coffins. but actualley useful stuff.


I could see eve exist forever.. but it requires constant change and new goals. It might be a sandbox where we make our own content.. but that is just not enough to keep it alive.

All IMO.. ofc.

And ofc.. EvE is hoarding assholes. and they are allowed to do whatever they want. personnaley i dont have a problem with this. but its no suprise to see bad player rewievs of a game where the players take pride in destrying the fun of others.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#5 - 2014-10-28 12:42:09 UTC
People who say Eve is dying because of PLEX prices are idiots.
People who say Eve is dying because of suicide ganking are idiots.
People who say Eve is dying because of incoming changes are idiots.

People are idiots.

Only time I see < 20k pilots online is shortly after DT. During EU evenings and weekends it rarely drops below 35k and seeing > 40k is not unusual as well.

If only people who pay so much attention to CCP subscription numbers would apply 1/10th of this effort to their own business...

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Steve Wingyip
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-10-28 12:44:43 UTC
It's 5 years ago all over again.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-28 12:45:01 UTC
Ulon Naus wrote:
Eve died a frew years ago... What we are going to see now is a sloow decent of subscribers over a long period. "happens to all games."

Lack of content for endgame players. Lack of proper NPE. and a game where funds have been funneled into other projects. Will ultimatley neglect the game it self.

Its not really a bad thing it happens. CCP is really pushing for changes. and its badley needed.

without more and harder endgame content for bored vets. they stop. If it where to me.. id give players a new mutch harder thing to skill for. Not space coffins. but actualley useful stuff.


I could see eve exist forever.. but it requires constant change and new goals. It might be a sandbox where we make our own content.. but that is just not enough to keep it alive.

All IMO.. ofc.


You're looking at things from a solo player perspective, those are never going to last. Endgame of EvE are the players themselves, same as most of the content and story.
Prince Kobol
#8 - 2014-10-28 12:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Balshem Rozenzweig wrote:
Hey guys,

maybe too short to start a topic of it's own, but it's general discussion so I decided to go for it.

People keep saying eve subscription numbers are falling. Do we have any proof for that?

My memory might not serve me well but I started playing about a year ago (october even) and remember usually seeing 25k as number listed for people online. Now - that has gone up to 35k-ish now. Why the change? I'd imagine that plex prices going up by (I think...) 150 mil from 650 (I think...) mil to around 800 would cause the the reverse tendency in amount of alts logged in.

This is kinda evidence for the contrary - that the number of subscriptions did not fall but raise.

Cheers,
Balsh

Disclaimer - I don't really care that much if the number of subscriptions fell or went up. I don't think EVE could change to better or worse regarding systems' population anyway so I kinda feel safe. I'm more interested in people explaining why they think the number of players went down and how they explain why the number of people logged in went up. Ofc it could be me remembering wrong in which case - sry ;-)


Dear lord..

Okay, it would help if you could separate the PCU count and subscriptions in your head as they are two different things.

PCU count

Yes the PCU count is down to about 2008 levels. Pick your own reasons why you think this has happened as there are many to choose from.

Subscriptions.

QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone
QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593
QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers
QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000
QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000
QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year.

After this it becomes guess work as CCP stopped producing the QEN reports.

In March 2011 PC Gamer reported that CCP announced it had over 360,000 subscribers, in October 2011 Nosey Gamer had Eve at appox 355,000.

In May 2012 Nosey Gamer reported that CCP had sent MMOData.net new numbers and that Subs were at 361,000.

Now this is where CCP start to fudge the figures somewhat.

In December 2012 Forbes ran an article where CCP claimed they had broken 450,000.. The reason for the big jump, CCP started to include subscriptions for Serenity which had just recently launched in China.

In June 2012 CCP had launched "A New Era" for Serenity and claimed they saw subscriptions double for Inferno later in the year.

Then we had the CCP announce they hit 500,000 in Feb 2013 but again these numbers include subs for Serenity as well as Dust 514.

Since Feb 2013 CCP have not released any figures regarding subscription numbers.

Why.. why do game developers shout as loud as they can to anybody who will listen when there numbers are going up and suddenly fall silent?
Ulon Naus
BSE Protection Agency.
#9 - 2014-10-28 12:48:05 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Ulon Naus wrote:
Eve died a frew years ago... What we are going to see now is a sloow decent of subscribers over a long period. "happens to all games."

Lack of content for endgame players. Lack of proper NPE. and a game where funds have been funneled into other projects. Will ultimatley neglect the game it self.

Its not really a bad thing it happens. CCP is really pushing for changes. and its badley needed.

without more and harder endgame content for bored vets. they stop. If it where to me.. id give players a new mutch harder thing to skill for. Not space coffins. but actualley useful stuff.


I could see eve exist forever.. but it requires constant change and new goals. It might be a sandbox where we make our own content.. but that is just not enough to keep it alive.

All IMO.. ofc.


You're looking at things from a solo player perspective, those are never going to last. Endgame of EvE are the players themselves, same as most of the content and story.


Not really. but when you see people from the bigger alliances only login for a super kill. then id go as far as saying thats a lack of content. and stuff to do other than killing a super now and then
Cynadore
3 R Corporation
#10 - 2014-10-28 12:50:22 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Endgame of EvE are the players themselves, same as most of the content and story.


I think the point being made was that the endgame consists of collecting rental income and complaining about there being no one to fight.
Ulon Naus
BSE Protection Agency.
#11 - 2014-10-28 12:57:13 UTC
Cynadore wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Endgame of EvE are the players themselves, same as most of the content and story.


I think the point being made was that the endgame consists of collecting rental income and complaining about there being no one to fight.


We only fight if we can win! general outcome of a system where you loose everything if you die.

Simple example. If you played Dayz. and saw a gp of 5 ppl. personnaley id hide my ass and find a way arround.. but if i respawned with all my **** agin... well then.. Id be shure to run in with my head under my arms and shoot everything that mooved.
Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#12 - 2014-10-28 13:00:08 UTC
Cynadore wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Endgame of EvE are the players themselves, same as most of the content and story.


I think the point being made was that the endgame consists of collecting rental income and complaining about there being no one to fight.


Let me add another point. People using the term "endgame" in reference to eve do not understand the game.
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-10-28 13:00:14 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
People who say Eve is dying because of PLEX prices are idiots.
People who say Eve is dying because of suicide ganking are idiots.
People who say Eve is dying because of incoming changes are idiots.

People are idiots.

Only time I see < 20k pilots online is shortly after DT. During EU evenings and weekends it rarely drops below 35k and seeing > 40k is not unusual as well.

If only people who pay so much attention to CCP subscription numbers would apply 1/10th of this effort to their own business...


I guess they are right about CCP being silent. If the numbers went up they would announce it probably. On the other hand if they had subs just under 500k they would stay shut up either because the "500k" imaginary milestone isn't there anymore.

Hard to tell - that's why I asked.

Would it matter for an average player if they've gone from 350k to 500k and then back down? I don't know. From my perspective there's no other mmo that's not cloning wow, and it makes eve both a niche and a long life product.

"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-10-28 14:27:57 UTC
EvE is far from dying.
Starcitizen and Elite Dangerous prove that there is demand for spacesims, this could be the second rise of EvE.
CCP could get more customers if the "equip" New Eden with the right incentives.
But:
Some Players won't like those incentives:
more PvE content, more "secure Places", protection from Griefers.
When i see the burner missions and remember what a certain CCP Developer said about an PvE content Editor, i think CCP is preparing for that.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
#15 - 2014-10-28 14:30:14 UTC
yes it is

shush

Everything's a game if you make it one - Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci

CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase - Frostys Virpio
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#16 - 2014-10-28 15:01:25 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
EvE is far from dying.
Starcitizen and Elite Dangerous prove that there is demand for spacesims, this could be the second rise of EvE.
CCP could get more customers if the "equip" New Eden with the right incentives.
But:
Some Players won't like those incentives:
more PvE content, more "secure Places", protection from Griefers.
When i see the burner missions and remember what a certain CCP Developer said about an PvE content Editor, i think CCP is preparing for that.


I do not really believe that anybody actually is against ccp adding PvE content here and there. To stick with your example of burner missions, I have not seen anyone complaining to ccp about them being added.

What people are against, are useless additions which a) do not add anything to the actual gameplay or b) change the very nature of the game, which adding "secure places" would be one of.

There are already more than enough tools to protect yourself in the game. They are the same tools the "griefers" use to hunt you. The sheep are just unwilling to learn how to use them.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2014-10-28 15:05:21 UTC
Ulon Naus wrote:
Eve died a frew years ago... What we are going to see now is a sloow decent of subscribers over a long period. "happens to all games."

Lack of content for endgame players. Lack of proper NPE. and a game where funds have been funneled into other projects. Will ultimatley neglect the game it self.

Its not really a bad thing it happens. CCP is really pushing for changes. and its badley needed.

without more and harder endgame content for bored vets. they stop. If it where to me.. id give players a new mutch harder thing to skill for. Not space coffins. but actualley useful stuff.


I could see eve exist forever.. but it requires constant change and new goals. It might be a sandbox where we make our own content.. but that is just not enough to keep it alive.

All IMO.. ofc.

And ofc.. EvE is hoarding assholes. and they are allowed to do whatever they want. personnaley i dont have a problem with this. but its no suprise to see bad player rewievs of a game where the players take pride in destrying the fun of others.



What is this ... "endgame" ... you speak of?

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#18 - 2014-10-28 15:06:28 UTC
Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2014-10-28 15:19:25 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Ulon Naus wrote:
Eve died a frew years ago... What we are going to see now is a sloow decent of subscribers over a long period. "happens to all games."

Lack of content for endgame players. Lack of proper NPE. and a game where funds have been funneled into other projects. Will ultimatley neglect the game it self.

Its not really a bad thing it happens. CCP is really pushing for changes. and its badley needed.

without more and harder endgame content for bored vets. they stop. If it where to me.. id give players a new mutch harder thing to skill for. Not space coffins. but actualley useful stuff.


I could see eve exist forever.. but it requires constant change and new goals. It might be a sandbox where we make our own content.. but that is just not enough to keep it alive.

All IMO.. ofc.

And ofc.. EvE is hoarding assholes. and they are allowed to do whatever they want. personnaley i dont have a problem with this. but its no suprise to see bad player rewievs of a game where the players take pride in destrying the fun of others.



What is this ... "endgame" ... you speak of?


It's a hallucinatory side effect of someone experiencing Sudden Player Entitlement Derangement Syndrome (SPEDS).





☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Gonzo Liberace
Limp Geckos
#20 - 2014-10-28 15:26:20 UTC
Being 11 Eve isn't even a teenager yet! It's still several years away from losing it's virginity, let alone die...
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