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EVE is real ?!

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Max Greed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-10-27 22:07:02 UTC
Tl;Dr.

Op used the words 'economy' 6 times, and 'assets' 5 times. Then he used the word 'suddenly' 4 times.

Sooooooo, (here comes the maths) 6*5+4= Op got boned on the eve market when CCP changed something. The other 887 words were just thrown in for content filler.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#22 - 2014-10-27 22:10:41 UTC
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:
anyone claiming that I would be butthurt cause of what I wrote earlier hasnt read or understood my mail,
for if I am aware of this I would have taken measures in time, thus not exposing myself to the risks.

so no I am not butt hurt due to some invest. and anyone that suggests that I should get a life, need to look at the number of his posts on this forum and then look at mine and then come back and thell me that again.

sirius
Ha ha, more butthurt!

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Slymah
DorpCorp
#23 - 2014-10-27 22:32:25 UTC
Speaking of BLT's -

My dear sweet awesome wife made us some last night at about 2am after ___.

Added jalapenos (of course) and an over easy fried egg on lightly toasted bread.


I love my wife.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#24 - 2014-10-27 22:34:19 UTC
Slymah wrote:
after ___.

Really? P
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#25 - 2014-10-27 22:36:04 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Slymah wrote:
after ___.

Really? P


Begging.. it was after begging wasn't it?

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Heather Austrene
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-10-27 22:45:45 UTC
Eve is real .. ly just as screwed up as the real world. Oddly he seems to be trying to imply that in the real world, the government and other powers that be tinkering around with the economy and thukkering it up for most of us.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2014-10-27 22:49:42 UTC
Is this the bi monthly aper rant about newtonian mechanics? The OP was so long and badly formatted that I didn't read it.
Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#28 - 2014-10-27 22:53:02 UTC
Since my primary language is not english i might be wrong here, but if I am right:

real != realistic (in this context)

So you basically wrote a whole wall of text based on misinterpreting the whole catch phrase.



Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2014-10-27 23:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
Doc Fury wrote:
Bring your own hotplate or cook your bacon in the microwave in the break room. It makes them especially pissy, and you stand a good chance of locating any vegans that are presently unknown to you because the smell tends to persist the rest of the day, they'll eventually crack...


Oh Doc, If there were any secret Vegans hiding at the office.. id know by now. If there is one thing I excel at, its irritating people. The great teriyaki beef jerky bad godzilla movie rampage through the halls pretty much smoked out the militants.. and Becky Resident Militant Vegan ***** has outed the rest during one of our many HR mediations in an effort to show the numbers of her army.

Jim Hazard wrote:
Since my primary language is not english i might be wrong here, but if I am right:

real != realistic (in this context)

So you basically wrote a whole wall of text based on misinterpreting the whole catch phrase.


No, he wrote a whole wall of text because of Pocket Pigs and BLTs. Have you not been paying attention?!?!?!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#30 - 2014-10-27 23:22:54 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


Oh Doc, If there were any secret Vegans hiding at the office.. id know by now. If there is one thing I excel at, its irritating people. The great teriyaki beef jerky bad godzilla movie rampage through the halls pretty much smoked out the militants.. and Becky Resident Militant Vegan ***** has outed the rest during one of our many HR mediations in an effort to show the numbers of her army.


Did you ever get your chair back? I haven't been keeping up with the office diaries.




There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#31 - 2014-10-27 23:30:41 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


No, he wrote a whole wall of text because of Pocket Pigs and BLTs. Have you not been paying attention?!?!?!


Are you implying that it really was worth paying attention?
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#32 - 2014-10-27 23:35:36 UTC
IBTL for ranting alright.

OP as you have been told EvE dose Change and we all have to accept that change.

And yes sometimes we have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

So if you do not want to play this game you know what to do. Smile


That is my two cents worth P

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#33 - 2014-10-27 23:37:26 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Did you ever get your chair back? I haven't been keeping up with the office diaries.


Friendship over.

Yes. It was Kevin. He got wrathed twice. The second time was EPIC. I now have appropriated (and cleaned thoroughly) the HR ladies chair during a daring early morning raid. Butt groves have been established. Details may be had on wrath and chair missions in the appropriate thread.

Jim Hazard wrote:
Are you implying that it really was worth paying attention?


Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-10-27 23:50:26 UTC
EVE IS REAL!!!



Also dam.. going down stair to get a BLT >_>
Jim Hazard
Fury Industry
#35 - 2014-10-28 00:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Hazard
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!


Not as long as I do not have any Bacon at home to eat it..... damn now i am really hungry.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#36 - 2014-10-28 00:09:35 UTC
Jim Hazard wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


Are you implying that Bacon and Pocket Pigs are not worthy of your attention!??!?!


Not as long as I do not hae any Bacon at home to eat it..... damn now i am hungry.


Go forth and procure Bacon (thick cut). Fry to a delicious crisp. Toast 2 slices of sourdough. Place Bacon, tomato and lettuce (and mayo if so inclined) between said sourdough.. and eat while angels frolic on your tastebuds.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#37 - 2014-10-28 00:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Anybody a bacon curing master around here? We have a Korean grocery store nearby with sliced pork belly, which is the same as raw, uncured bacon. I know that guy behind the counter would get excited abouting sell me a good unsliced hunk if I told him what it was for.

Anyway OP, I can sympathize, I've taken a good booty-ouching from a succession of updates as well. Just my luck, a whole progression of them over the years took a lot of the challenge and value out of T2 Invention and manufacturing. It used to be a pretty intricate operation, that involved a fair degree of risk and carefully moving Rubik's Cube cubes around. To get any benefit out of T2 Invention, you had to use operate in low sec to queue up your jobs, and use a combination of little stealth frigates full of BPs, blockade runners, and blunderbuss big cargo regular haulers.

It might be the same now? Don't know, when I saw the profit margins getting tiny and T2 sellers battling to offload stuff on the market, I stopped building. I just buy and fit T2 stuff and don't worry about it getting blown up, because it's good for cheap-fit ships.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#38 - 2014-10-28 01:14:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Anybody a bacon curing master around here? We have a Korean grocery store nearby with sliced pork belly, which is the same as raw, uncured bacon. I know that guy behind the counter would get excited abouting sell me a good unsliced hunk if I told him what it was for.


You should ask your Korean butcher if he knows what Chicharrón is, the best and most decadent are made from pork belly, and I am sure there is a Korean equivalent.

If you are going to go to the trouble of curing it yourself you should buy at least 5 lbs, and have access to a smoker.

Cover your pork belly heavily in salt and brown sugar 50/50 mix for 2-3 days in one or more gallon ziplock bags or a big seal-able container 1 layer deep. Place this in the fridge on the bottom shelf if possible. If using bags, flip them over every 12 hours, if using a container flip the slabs inside at least once. Once the brining is over, rinse off your bacon slabs, and soak them in cold water for 20 minutes, remove and pat dry. Last step is to cold smoke it for 1 day, longer if you can bear it. I suggest a mix of hickory and apple hardwoods. If you are not planning to cook and use it all within a few days of making it, you need to substitute tenderquick (curing salt) for the regular salt in your mix above and then you can vacuum seal or freeze it after you smoke it. I also like to spread a bit of sugar on it when it goes into the smoker, it slowly melts into the fat.

I make more back-bacon (pork loin cured like ham, a.k.a. Canadian Bacon) than regular bacon as it's a tad healthier and less expensive to make, it takes longer to cure but follows the same basic recipe and can be hot smoked unlike regular bacon.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#39 - 2014-10-28 02:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
[Sorry, had posting lag. Didn't know my earlier post actually posted].
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-10-28 02:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
sirius2u Equilibrium wrote:
No it is not !

A ship in motion that is halted to a full stop that pulls itself down horizontally is a constant reminder of that fact, I guess even in a spacegame we can't escape gravity.

Is this news ?

No it is not.

However when one invents such one-liners like "EVE is real" it does make people look more closely to what you are putting out there.

Now lets get one thing straight, EVE is top notch between all the space games out there, but being satisfied with what you have allready created has never helped progress.
In that regard EVE is in constant change and I am good with that.

then why am I writing this ?

because of the type of changes and their not well tought through effects on EVE universe.

My concerns are no different than anyone out there that plays this game.

I think we can all agree that when you are making changes to the game it should be a change that people were longing for and resolves issues, that only effect and bring resolve to that issue alone, not create more issues.

In my experience that is not the case, the devs seem to be in a never ending struggle to balance the game, so when you get on-line after an expansion you can find that you have stuff missing, like prints that you researched to be gone or ships that are now suddenly missing a slot or wh mechanics that are suddenly changed, what these at most will harm is you prolly ending up loosing your ship and then suddenly you are aware, so they dont pose much problems, we deal with them.

when you claim that EVE is real or is at least close to real then you can understand that rebalancing is what a 6 year old kid would invent to win the game, it has absolutely nothing to do with "real"
In the real world it doesnt work like that and never will.

It would be like my car manufacturer saying "sorry sir, we think your car is too overpowered, we gonna take it back and give you another one that is less powered"

crazy right ?
but like I said we all gotten used to it, and personally I dont think about it anymore, we just deal with the consequences.

However....

What I cannot get over is the effect of changes on the EVE economy.

you see, anything that would upset the markets that makes stuff more or less valuable does have a bigger impact than loosing a ship, or any other silly thing we are forced to do, to accomodate the rebalance fury of the devs.

if you are a big corp/alliance or simply someone that has a lot of assets or isk, the effects of these changes can really hurt you.

you are then looking at billions and billions of losses in a single day simply because soemone at EVE HQ thought it would be a good idea to introduce something to the market without fully calculating its effects.

simpest example is maybe someone trading in implants and CCP suddenly decides to give away those implants for free, this type of things will simply ruin your game.
Maybe more recent the erratic behaviour of fuel prices, imagine that you are a big alliance that uses up trillions worth of fuel per year, the potential losses could pretty much criple your operations.

The outcome of this goes beyond the fact that people are loosing value in isk or assets, the more serious effect of this is that people in general will loose confidence in the economy, you dont have to be a wizard to understand what the outcome of that will be.

people will either pull out of the market, sell their stuff and invest in more solid assets like PLEX, which will drive PLEX prices up and all of the rest will go down, dont get me wrong large corps will still need their reserves and immediate assets for operational purposes but other than that, all the isk will be pulled out of the market to be parked in safe havens.

People will still invest and trade, but it will be short term egagements and after that pull their profit out and again put it on safe, noone will keep large stocks anymore, it will be all about making a quick profit, in a very volatile market.
In this situation all people will be doing is to try and counter the effects of devaluation of assets, reserves and isk.

in the real world we call that causing a crises due to incompetent governening, if EVE had a minister of Economy he would have lost his job long time ago, if not shot to serve as an example.

CCCP boasts that EVE economy is something that is player-driven and self-regulating, things cannot be more further than the truth, not with all the constant external intervention, and as any economy that is subject to these outside influences it will react and often not in a way that will give people confidence.

yes I said CCCP, cause lets face it, our comrades at CCP headquarters are communists, since we established that EVE although it appears to have a capitalist system but in fact is a planned economy with some really incompetent governers.

now tell me again that EVE is real.

sirius2u




Wow hahaha, come on dude its a game end of debate and discussion dont like it then quit. You can always play wow or spreadsheat turbo.....

O wait its eve simulator online right? -_-"
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