Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is nothing to fix here, what you are doing is boosting the power of large fleets.



No but its going to make it impossible for near everyone else in EVE to even score one or two kills against our fleets. We will effectively be immortal.




Doesn't matter about wasted alpha, the fact is the there is not a single subcap that can take that kind of punishment.

Okay, time to start creating a list of things to remember on F&I.

1. When the ISD says calm down, TURN DOWN. FOR ISD.
2. When the only people able to make full use of your idea are arguing against it, it is probably a bad idea.
3. If it is a cosmetic tweak, or you can't make the idea more than one line, it probably belongs in the little things thread.
4. When the only people who can fully use a change argue against it, it is probably bad.
5. Don't listen to Dryson.
6. If you cannot predict the first order effects, it is probably not a good change or idea.
7. If there are no first order effects, it belongs in the little things thread.
8. If you put numbers out, make sure they are right.

Reduce wings to three squads and fleets to three wings. Problem solved. Er, wait.

Command and control issues are one of the logical weak points of massive fleets. Why mitigate that?

I am pretty shore CCP have said they like the massive fights from a publicity point of view but don’t really like having them as it’s a pain on their end.. So I don’t see them coming up with a system to help massive coalitions forming massive fleet’s easer.

Also NO

nerf blobs!!!!

They are not more powerful than 5 individual fleets. 1+1+1+1+1 = 5. 5*1 = 5. The DPS and logi available to that side has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the ability to see the primary. That doesn't magically make their DPS or logi more powerful in any way. They still do the same damage and rep the same amount.
Seeing the same broadcast really isn't beneficial because you can already alpha any subcap in the game with a 250 man fleet. 250 or 1250 people shooting at the target competently means it dies. That extra 1000 people, in either logi or DPS, grants you nothing.

Yes, a 150 man group should probably not be fighting a 1250 man group. They will be slaughtered. That won't happen because those 1250 people can see the same broadcasts. That is going to happen because their opponents are fielding 5x the DPS and 5x the logi. Which they are already doing, just in 5 separate fleets.

If you want to talk nerfing the blob, fleet structures have nothing to do with it. In every case a competent 1000 is going to slaughter a competent 100. That is how Eve is. Like or not the ability to hold SOV is an N+1 game currently. It's an N+1 game because that is the best way to hold SOV. Nothing about the ability to field a 250 man or an up to 1250 man fleet is going to change that.


Command and control issue won't go away if you want to win. We already know that a 250 man fleet can alpha anything off the field. So do you want to waste the shots of the other 1000? Or do you want to delegate the role of calling primaries to sub FCs so you can alpha more targets at the same time? What if the enemy is shooting multiple of your ships? Which broadcast for reps do you rep? Command and control getting to the battlefield is easier, but harder once you lose the ability to see 5 different broadcast systems. Now, player skill can make this less of an issue. If you can train people to have those skills then it becomes easier. Or if CCP implements a way for you to see only broadcasts fleet wide instead of armada wide.


They have and I completely agree that massive fights are bad. But those changes will occur through CCP changing the SOV system to no longer creates incentives for N+1 play. There are many groups in Eve that do like flying with more than just 250 of their closest friends. Maybe it's 300. Maybe its 1250. If that is what you want to do then who am I, or CCP for that matter, to say no? Who am I to tell you that you are playing Eve "wrong"?


I answered most of these issues up with my replies to Baltec1 and Milton Middleson. Again, ships are already alphaed by 250 man fleets. That 100 man group is going to lose, not because their enemy can direct 500 people more effectively, but because their enemy is fielding 500 ships. A fleet structure that can support 500 people, instead of 250 people, has no effect on the outcome of that battle.
Again C&C is still going to be a problem if you want to get the most out of your fleet. Up to 1250 people seeing the same broadcast does not mean they will automatically win. You still need lower level FCs to effectively direct the DPS and logi of the fleet. I will concede it does help with directing the fleet to and from the battlefield. Which is nice seeing how that has no bearing on the outcome of the fight and can help prevent FC burnout.

Five fleets of logi will not make you immortal. 150 logi will not stop your ships from being alphaed. If it turns into a DPS race then the 5 fold increase in DPS ships seeing the broadcast will be able to focus more fire at the target. Which means those 150 logi ships able to see that broadcast is the only chance you have of saving those ships under that intense of fire.

Five fleets worth of ships can alpha anything under a capital sized ships. There is nothing stopping you from currently focusing 5 fleets worth of fire on a single target. So.. there is no change in an Armada environment. I will say it again: a 250 man fleet can already alpha almost any subcap ship in the game. Five fleets or one fleet that ship will die is alphaed properly.

You are wrong that there are only "one, possibly two groups in all of EVE could make use of this change." There are dozens of groups that fly with overflow fleets currently. What you should have said is that there is one, possibly two groups in all of EVE that can fill an Armada.

Nobody can alpha out ships today, who is going to be doing it under your plan? You are making it impossible for 90% of the playerbase to hurt us.

The mechanics do. You cannot see the broadcasted target outside of the fleet and trying to organise 5 fleets onto the same target is very hard to do.

No they cant, only a few types of fleet can do that. Under your plan a fleet of frigates could do it.



Only one powerblock can field the flight of a 1000 megathrons.

You know the idea is not good when a goon guy (the people that it would help the most in eve) says its a bad idea and would be bad for the game.

Maybe you should read up on how drones assign works now before posting things.