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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-26 04:18:11 UTC
ECM is op. Ec300s are op. 100k permajam griffons are op. Eccm mods dont work. Damps, tracking disturps are no way comparable to the OPness of ECM. Y?
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#2 - 2014-10-26 04:25:06 UTC
They can't jam you if you damp them.
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#3 - 2014-10-26 04:27:34 UTC
They can't jam you if you assist your drones to a friend and kill it.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-10-26 04:37:51 UTC
They can effectively permajam you always. People can scoop/redeploy jam drones. Lolgriffons are over 100k away permajamming. Damps nooo way compare to the ewarfare of jams. Just delete jams from game. Solved. Balanced. Or make eccm mods actually useful. They can almost always jam you.
Trey Kutoi
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-10-26 04:41:54 UTC
oh noes. I have to break my optimal fit for faceroll-approach-brawl so that I won't get pwnz0rd by people who don't faceroll-approach-brawl.

Rock meet Paper.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-10-26 04:47:16 UTC
There is no fit that counters ECM. Hense OPness of it. It is an Everest-sized rock and only counter fit is ECM yourself. Not balanced when only counter is itself. It is OP could easily be removed from game and make balancing easier. It is overpowered. Try to explain how it aint yo
Max Greed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-26 05:13:09 UTC
They won't even think about jamming you if you have ISBoxer, 50 skiffs with 250 Hob2's flying around.

.Twisted
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2014-10-26 05:18:40 UTC
Overpowered ECM boats pale in comparison to the type of jamming an ISD can dish out for ranting....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2014-10-26 05:24:21 UTC
Trey Kutoi wrote:
oh noes. I have to break my optimal fit for faceroll-approach-brawl so that I won't get pwnz0rd by people who don't faceroll-approach-brawl.

Rock meet Paper.


it more or less has the potential to ruin interesting small gang fights. Damps you can play with ranges, TD's you can play with range/transversial, neuts you can ASB or cap inject, scramblers you can dual prop, points you can range control or counter ewar. ECM you sit there for 20s where bleh. Once you get to anywhere above small gang you probably have the capability to alpha an opposing e-war ship off the field. With ECM you pretty much can only pray the next cycle doesn't land.

other forms of ewar certainly have the potential to swing a fight, but at the same time nothing hits like ECM.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-10-26 05:40:50 UTC
maybe if you used more peanut butter with it the effect of the jam would be lessened
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-26 08:52:38 UTC
I'd hate to see you on a gambling site, because you don't seem to understand chance.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#12 - 2014-10-26 10:23:25 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
There is no fit that counters ECM.

* ECM Drones: ECCM, sensor backup arrays, and smartbomb like all other drones.
* ECM Modules: ECCM, sensor backup arrays, sensor damps, and energy neutralizers.

Both ECM drones and ECM ships are quite fragile.

By far damps are the most effective counter to ECM ships (force fragile ships into your range), along with friends (too many targets to lock down them all).
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-10-26 10:50:29 UTC
The chance is nigh 100% even with ships sensor strength skill trained up and ECCM mods. Test it out. I saw someone did stats for it too. Eccm mods are worthless. And drones can be deployed/scooped/deployed/scooped/dep/scoo/dep/scoo over and over to ensure jam and prevent killing. My issue is overpowerness. No one can give valid reasons they are not superpowered god mode yet yoo
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-10-26 10:59:24 UTC
Counter to ECM drones: Smartbombs. When the drones get pulled they don't jam.
Counter to ECM ships: sentry drones or damps
Obvious counter to both: ECCM modules. Yes, they do work.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-10-26 11:04:43 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:


it more or less has the potential to ruin interesting small gang fights. Damps you can play with ranges, TD's you can play with range/transversial, neuts you can ASB or cap inject, scramblers you can dual prop, points you can range control or counter ewar. ECM you sit there for 20s where bleh. Once you get to anywhere above small gang you probably have the capability to alpha an opposing e-war ship off the field. With ECM you pretty much can only pray the next cycle doesn't land.

other forms of ewar certainly have the potential to swing a fight, but at the same time nothing hits like ECM.


Plankton is my favorite person so far and he is right
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#16 - 2014-10-26 11:05:40 UTC
Oh dear!
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2014-10-26 11:08:40 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
The chance is nigh 100% even with ships sensor strength skill trained up and ECCM mods. Test it out. I saw someone did stats for it too. Eccm mods are worthless. And drones can be deployed/scooped/deployed/scooped/dep/scoo/dep/scoo over and over to ensure jam and prevent killing. My issue is overpowerness. No one can give valid reasons they are not superpowered god mode yet yoo


On the off chance you aren't just trolling badly I'll give you a serious answer.

If ECM is so overpowered why do most EWAR pilots choose to fly a damp ship instead?

Because ECM doesnt affect one weapon system (Drones) at all and its bonused hulls are confined to shield tanks thus the midslot requiring ECM modules prevent an effective tank from being used. Unless they're jamming from extreme range, which seriously reduces the chances of the ECM actually working, ECM hulls tend to explode if you give them a dirty look let alone actually make a serious effort to kill them. The longer cycle time on the modules also means if you fail to get a jam that's a long time you have to survive in a badly undertanked ship before you get another chance.

The only niche ECM has where its generally a better choice is in solo and small gang engagements where taking a single ship out of the fight has a disproportianately large effect on the outcome.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#18 - 2014-10-26 11:13:07 UTC
Wrong forum and as it's also a rant, reported.

Have a great day. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-10-26 11:35:44 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
Plankton is my favorite person so far and he is right

No he isn't.
He just ignores that there are counters to ECM, just like you do.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#20 - 2014-10-26 12:15:12 UTC
Chance of thread Jammage...............100%

Is the thread OP or are the ISD?

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
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