These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Missing alignment for fleets

Author
Zion Sax
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#1 - 2014-10-25 22:00:43 UTC
Today we have the "Align to" option when navigating our ships solo, but something is missing for fleets....

"Align Fleet to"
"Align Wing to"
"Align Squad to"

We alrady have the

"Warp Fleet to"
"Warp Wing to"
"Warp Squad to"

So why not get it sorted asap pls - ty
Jintaisan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-10-25 22:59:59 UTC
I am in agreement with this. If we are able to warp to player, squad, wing or fleet we should be able to align to them too. We already have this option for for bookmarks and wrecks/cans so it makes no sense not to have it in fleet situations.

I feel this is even more important now that the cloak changes are in. It would mean bomber fleets are still viable whilst offering caution to solo players who may encounter other cloaked vessels.

I would second that this should be fixed.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2014-10-25 23:30:46 UTC
Nice!

That will make small and large gangs alike very happy Smile +10

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#4 - 2014-10-26 00:07:32 UTC
Zion Sax wrote:
Today we have the "Align to" option when navigating our ships solo, but something is missing for fleets....

"Align Fleet to"
"Align Wing to"
"Align Squad to"

We alrady have the

"Warp Fleet to"
"Warp Wing to"
"Warp Squad to"

So why not get it sorted asap pls - ty

This.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-10-26 00:52:54 UTC
No. This just makes ISBoxing even easier and dumbs down the game even more.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2014-10-26 01:09:39 UTC
The issue of fleet leadership being able to align fleet members' ships has been raised more than once in the past.

CCP has already commented on the issue of FCs being able to basically play the game for everyone else and they're not keen on it.

Regardless of CCP's position, this just furthers the ability of fleet leadership to play the game for everyone else in the fleet. Not supported, -1 and get better-trained monkeys if the ones you have now aren't aligning properly.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#7 - 2014-10-26 01:28:05 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
No. This just makes ISBoxing even easier and dumbs down the game even more.

IS boxers already have a functional workaround for this, so it puts regular players on par with ISboxers.

This said, I would like the ability to align folks, but continue to have it only be align and warp, with a total inability for an FC to jump a fleet anywhere, as this means the monkeys still must be at the keyboard, not have their ships run to the op point by the FC and then ping everyone to get back to the keyboard.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Laura Agathon
Nothing on Dscan
#8 - 2014-10-26 01:52:44 UTC

Yep. +1
Jintaisan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-10-26 02:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jintaisan
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The issue of fleet leadership being able to align fleet members' ships has been raised more than once in the past.

CCP has already commented on the issue of FCs being able to basically play the game for everyone else and they're not keen on it.

Regardless of CCP's position, this just furthers the ability of fleet leadership to play the game for everyone else in the fleet. Not supported, -1 and get better-trained monkeys if the ones you have now aren't aligning properly.


But you would still allow fleet warps? Your point of view doesn't make sense. People still have to manually jump the gates so this doesn't really allow the FC's just to 'play everyone else's game' as you suggest... They would still physically have to be there and shoot.

As someone who has FC'd frequently, this is something I would like to see. In my opinion, if fleet warps are going to be kept in the game, alignment should also be an option.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2014-10-26 02:29:11 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
No. This just makes ISBoxing even easier and dumbs down the game even more.


This has absolutely nothing to do with ISBoxing.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#11 - 2014-10-26 02:32:16 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
No. This just makes ISBoxing even easier and dumbs down the game even more.


This has absolutely nothing to do with ISBoxing.

I would argue that it actually is needed to compete with ISboxer in some (very niche) situations, as from several friendly multiboxers, they have easy ways to do something like this while real players lack it.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

StrKiller
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-10-26 06:39:16 UTC
+1


The tin foiled fedora tippers crying about this can pound sand. This doesn't change ISboxers' abilities from anything they didn't already have. If you don't like ISboxers it's real simple:

Blow up their ships.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2014-10-26 07:06:07 UTC
Zion Sax wrote:
Today we have the "Align to" option when navigating our ships solo, but something is missing for fleets....

"Align Fleet to"
"Align Wing to"
"Align Squad to"

We alrady have the

"Warp Fleet to"
"Warp Wing to"
"Warp Squad to"

So why not get it sorted asap pls - ty


Why?
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#14 - 2014-10-26 07:13:02 UTC
What if we also added functions that allowed you to issue navigation orders and activate modules on ships in squad/wing/fleet. I feel it would really streamline the experience and help both FCs and fleet members.
Zion Sax
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#15 - 2014-10-26 08:46:20 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
The issue of fleet leadership being able to align fleet members' ships has been raised more than once in the past.

CCP has already commented on the issue of FCs being able to basically play the game for everyone else and they're not keen on it.

Regardless of CCP's position, this just furthers the ability of fleet leadership to play the game for everyone else in the fleet. Not supported, -1 and get better-trained monkeys if the ones you have now aren't aligning properly.


Then why did they add the fleet warp option? I mean if they truely wanted every pilot to work solo there wouldn't be a need for fleetwarp. CCP already opened the door by adding this option.

In terms of the alignment they kinda already went down this path through the "Regroup" option FC's has in fleet. The alignment options just offers the wing/squad commander the same options.

And why this alignment ? It's usefull and as with the fleet warp option it makes things work better.

This is not about ISboxer or EVE going towards an autopiloting style gameplay where you just log in and other control everything. You still have to jump the gates yourself and activate mods.....

Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2014-10-26 11:53:58 UTC
NOPE.

Lets take all responsibility away from people having to do things.... fights some times happen because people mess up aligning. lets take away all possible ways people can mess up .

While your at it why is there not a jump fleet command...

NO
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#17 - 2014-10-26 14:33:17 UTC
Tappits wrote:
NOPE.

Lets take all responsibility away from people having to do things.... fights some times happen because people mess up aligning. lets take away all possible ways people can mess up ...


...or don't pay bills on time.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Zion Sax
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#18 - 2014-10-26 15:33:30 UTC
Tappits wrote:
NOPE.

Lets take all responsibility away from people having to do things.... fights some times happen because people mess up aligning. lets take away all possible ways people can mess up .

While your at it why is there not a jump fleet command...

NO


NOPE - no jump fleet command - that's just lame. You have to make your own thread if you wanna advocate that option.

Fights sometimes happen because ppl miss a fleetwarp..... oh wait.....

Aligning ain't as bad as a fleetwarp because it will only propel you in a certain direction at your ships max speed. It won't get you out of immediate danger as a fleetwarp would.

And since there's a Regroup option for fc's anyway what's the harm of allowing a somewhat similar option avaiable for wing and squad commanders?

And don't come back with "taking away responsibility" bs - you still have to warp off yourself. activate guns and other mods.

Dead BadBoy
Killer Instinct Industries Inc
#19 - 2014-10-26 19:12:09 UTC
Bump +1
Stacy Lone
Nirakura Inc
Decisions of Truth
#20 - 2014-10-26 20:36:57 UTC
If you can align your fleet and war it, how long will it take for the next guy to ask why we can't fleet lock already? How long will it take to ask why we can not fleet shoot already after that?

Why don't we actually *play* the game ourselves?

I am all in for tools that make FC'ing easier. being able to put marks in space for one (would integrate nicely into the renewed sensor overlay), but I'm very much against making all players drones of the FC. The FC should have all necessary tools to give command and to make it clear what he wants. But it should be up to the individual player to actually do it.

If you asked if we could put a 32pt big, red warning onto the screen of an individual player if hes not aligned to the designated location the FC has set, then I'd be in. Because in spite of the warning, it would still be up to the individual plaer to comply. But as far as doing thing "for them", i'm pretty much completely against it.

If you just want to control some other units, go play a single player game. There are plenty of them were you can issue commands to your comrades and they'll happily do so.
12Next page