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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Random WHs and the New Small Ship WHs

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#461 - 2014-10-03 12:32:32 UTC
Newt BlackCompany wrote:
This change is largely ineffective.

The small holes are somewhat useful if you are scanning down a chain looking for a particular hole, or a particular kind of hole. But, nobody will frigate roam in a wh, because first you have to go scan down a chain - which takes a lot of time. And that's exactly the way it should be. WH space is not just another type of nullsec.

Overall, I'd say that the frig holes are a wash. They can't really be used, except by the scouters, but they don't really cause much problems either and do increase connectivity...

If you were to improve this idea, increase the size limit so that T3 cruisers can roam through them. WH'ers already have and use T3 cruisers extensively, so a roam of them will be reasonable.




Increasing the size, just compounds the issues with increased connectivity, not seeing much new action as a result of these wormholes, easier to get to HS if one needs some light shopping I guess. Though in the beginning a few interesting kills before people took notice of them, now, not so much.

The downside is where a covert ops comes in and opens the static that was deliberately closed, now one HAS to put a picket on it. And the statics too, even if unopened.
Just more characters needed for hole control, quite doable during busy times. Just something else lowering the effective income per character, and less time available hunting for PVP.

Just another straw.

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Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#462 - 2014-10-03 15:25:07 UTC
Bump - This still sucks.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#463 - 2014-10-05 00:54:12 UTC
8 weeks in and I haven't killed anything at all via a frigate wormhole. Only heard of a couple of people who lost T3's via them before the descriptions were changed.

*golf clap* Thanks for the new content, Fozzie!

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Rei Moon
Perkone
Caldari State
#464 - 2014-10-14 16:29:45 UTC
Small guy review:
9/10 and 4/10
Neato/awful.
First part: more random connections make the day for scanning freaks like yours truly, I love to stuff up siggy window all over that Hello Kitty background ^-^. Ir does not get a 10 tho, for two reasons. First: it helps nullsex too much, and from a person who has no bias against ow-ow and does not hate them at all Roll I can completely understand they will need us after Phoebe - is cool - but for the time being I just see null K1s all over the place, spawning one hour after some dudebro warped to them without jumping (holy geezass refit for stabs guys, new sig run for your lives). Second: makes wh soloing a pain, makes life in tiny lowclass corps a pain. That's no good. If a playing style is valid, it's valid. Some guys say, get friends, or grow bigger, MMOs aren't too be soloed. But we're taking about eve, while being widely ungrateful for the content providers / sacrificial lambs. Remember, many 'solo' guys are farming for later Corp pvp activities in kspace or even wspace.
Second part: frig holes. Mass regen. Until now, very few reports of content actually derived from them. It's early to tell, but not that early considering how players specialize in finding metagame, so some usefulness should have already been found. Maybe for defender/ invader during sieges? Otherwise it's only a hole to scout/bubble when carebearing. The 4 (and not a zero) is because, effort and color, the blue makes me drool.
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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#465 - 2014-10-18 23:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Rei Moon wrote:
Small guy review:
9/10 and 4/10
Neato/awful.
First part: more random connections make the day for scanning freaks like yours truly, I love to stuff up siggy window all over that Hello Kitty background ^-^. Ir does not get a 10 tho, for two reasons. First: it helps nullsex too much, and from a person who has no bias against ow-ow and does not hate them at all Roll I can completely understand they will need us after Phoebe - is cool - but for the time being I just see null K1s all over the place, spawning one hour after some dudebro warped to them without jumping (holy geezass refit for stabs guys, new sig run for your lives). Second: makes wh soloing a pain, makes life in tiny lowclass corps a pain. That's no good. If a playing style is valid, it's valid. Some guys say, get friends, or grow bigger, MMOs aren't too be soloed. But we're taking about eve, while being widely ungrateful for the content providers / sacrificial lambs. Remember, many 'solo' guys are farming for later Corp pvp activities in kspace or even wspace.
Second part: frig holes. Mass regen. Until now, very few reports of content actually derived from them. It's early to tell, but not that early considering how players specialize in finding metagame, so some usefulness should have already been found. Maybe for defender/ invader during sieges? Otherwise it's only a hole to scout/bubble when carebearing. The 4 (and not a zero) is because, effort and color, the blue makes me drool.
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Well, there are some kills occuring, a few suprised blingy tengus gone, but the risk we feared, is less significant after they were dialled back, as frankly, it seems That many are not even bothering to jump through and continue scanning, as there is enough scanning opportunity to Ensure that the scanning image is burnt permenantly on one's retinas from overuse!

They are handy for a quick hs skillbook run, not for much else it seems, maybe some opportunity for CCP to actually give them a use? Especially as we are now getting T3 destroyers? A New wormhole space balanced for, and restricted to light ships perhaps? Then they would get a 10 currently though, not interesting, just more of a short term annoyance.

But we can only hope that that is a future plan, I hope they have thought of it. It is quite an obviously beneficial progression.

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Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#466 - 2014-10-24 19:33:08 UTC
With this change, I dunno why the C4's had to get 2nd static. With all those wandering WH's it certainly feels like our c3 has more statics as well.. the only difference is the 2nd and 3rd leads somewhere else all the time.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#467 - 2014-10-25 14:39:47 UTC
Really love those frigholes. Master of the Universe spacevessel Sabre fits and has awesome time fishing for covops/Asteros.

Bunch of relevant pvp vessels fit aswell (worms, hawks, talwars, enyos), just that wormhole relevance without proper small logistic ships (instead of t1 sir diealot) is really low considering cruiser+ fleets cracking your individual buffer at a whim with that abundance of webs.
Hanna Cyrus
Spessart Rebellen
#468 - 2014-10-25 19:51:59 UTC
Frigholes are **** for small corps and fun for larger corps. If someone want Frig fun, join RvB with constant content, no need for scanning. Large corps are the winners of the changes. I don't know what fozzi thought with this changes. I think he lacks the knowledge for WH changes.
He knows much, but WH is different and the changes as they are lead to depopulate lower WHs. You can make more ISK and much safer with other activities in highsec, with less effort. Which leads further to no targets for the rest, that stayed there.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#469 - 2014-10-27 22:54:32 UTC
We really desperately need a decent T2 frigate or destroyer logistic option. And/or a command destroyer, or something. There frig holes are le joke if you find a decent amount of people doing anything.

Either that or cheapen the skill requirements of Void bombs to bomb deployment 3 or something, because zomg. No one trains it to 4.

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Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#470 - 2014-10-30 21:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aladar Dangerface
I am neither for or against these holes atm, they are not big content generators and without being able to switch clones they wont ever reach there full potential however with the new dessies they may become useful.

For everyone who says you cant get good kills from them: https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25668940 and https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25182538 (yes both were thought a frig hole).

Although i wasn't at the golem kill by all accounts it was a fun fight and the domi fight defo was a fun gank.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#471 - 2014-11-16 23:32:55 UTC

So far these holes haven't provided anything for me. We've bubbled a couple of 'em when we want to feel like we're secure. I've jumped through some of them into Null, and other wormholes - but without cruiser/battle-cruiser sized ships getting a fight through them is pretty tough.

You could take a pretty big gang through, but gank catalysts don't seem like a great deal here. Assault frigs, maybe? There just isn't any incentive to do this - and if you've got 20 guys on - why go through the trouble of finding frig holes?

As a doorway into 'frig only' shattered sites they make sense (well, some sense). As a connection to K-space or other wormholes - they leave a lot to be desired.

T3 destroyers? Maybe? Seems awful niche.

'though for a solo bomber,they can help you find some stabbed epithals. So, there's a win.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#472 - 2014-11-24 23:33:06 UTC
Further update:

Several more engagements gained via frig holes.

We took on a Raven, and got blobbed by RLML Caracals, which was unfortunate, because we happened upon noobs who could fly nothing else but RLML caracals, which is extremely rare. Again, you need large numbers of people to take on small numbers of people if you want to bring logi - dropping 4 AF pilots in on a lone BS works fine up until their mates arrive. The result was basically, hawk is tanking, hawk is tanking. Oh, hey, i'm back in station!

This really just proves that the new Shattered frig holes are going to be bad juju with a C6 W-R effect. Everyone will be a hard counter for everyone else, which will result in instablapping and suboptimal engagements.

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Kai Wyn
Frisky Mittens
#473 - 2014-11-30 16:42:38 UTC
This will be extremely hard on the small corps in C1 and C2 WH space (2-5 people). Maybe that doesn't matter, but being in one of those corps this is not a welcome change as it could push us out of WH space (no longer profitable). As it currently is, we lose 2-3 ships per week to people wandering through to gank us.

And before I get flamed with excuses, stop assuming everyone has max skills, can fly interdictors, and that the smallest corp size in this game is 10-15 people.
Abaddon Remillard
Wayward Chickens
#474 - 2014-12-02 11:13:10 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Why not add these to nullsec->nullsec as well?

Depending on how these are received once we release them in wormholes, we'll consider adding them elsewhere. The CSM has also requested that we consider adding them as HS-WH connections in the future to encourage newer players to dip their toes into WH space with cheap ships.
I think both are good ideas but we'll start them off as WH exclusive and consider expansion from there.



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Kram Mercado
Doomheim
#475 - 2014-12-17 17:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kram Mercado
I don't like it, we moved to a static null because we like it quiet. More connections is very bad for small part time wormhole corporations we don't want to get bigger, we were having a lot of fun. Don't break it, it's already a miracle we left high sec why you hating on the small timers.

Edit: No I'm not going to buy 3 more accounts and 2 more screens so I can watch every wormhole at all times, what I'm actually going to do is end up dying a couple of times, not play in wormholes any more. Get bored of doing nothing and stop playing the game.