Player Features and Ideas Discussion

HI

Would a duelling mechanic be a good thing ( I think yes as ppl don't honour them these days and haven't since about 2005) , say an interface that lets you set how far the duel can go, shields, armour, hull, pod, like the trade window where you both have to click to agree. Once you have got to the agreed threshold then maybe use the safety mechanic to turn it back on for both parties so damage stops. this would help bring duelling back and stop those instances where ppl make a verbal agreement that one party reneges on. Maybe you could then even have a duelling league table within Eve.

Hope that make sense

Tal

Rubbish, why should ppl be limited to who they can fight, this doesn't stop or affect any other PVP in game apart from duel's and only those where ppl can't keep there word.

Tal

And here I thought this would be a discussion about the busted dueling we have now, where it's safe to assume that any given duelist has, at the least, a booster alt running links, and possibly even a rep alt in case things look like it might be anything besides a clean sweep.
How about we get the current dueling fixed before we start trying to build on a crap mechanic.
And, so this isn't just a gripe post, I propose that entering a duel removes both players from any fleets they might be in and blocks them from joining or forming fleets for the duration of the duel.
If that is received well, then I might go so far as to propose that repping a player who is on grid with the player they are dueling would give the rep ship a suspect flag. This would not have any effect on someone warping off and receiving reps off-grid, but would prevent reps landing mid-fight.
Then, if that goes over well, I might continue and suggest that dueling allow extensions, where you could select the number of players you are offering to duel, or name them specifically. This would allow 1 player to duel 2 players, in the same duel, by either picking the 2 players or allowing the player receiving the duel offer to name a partner. This would allow for both sides to agree to bring reps on-grid without going suspect, thus expanding the options available to duelists.

As for the go to SiSi argument, the same could be said for all pvp and the counter-argument is the same, Eve is a sandbox and people do what makes them happy.

Thoughts?

Erm no I'm not, as one of the options is pod, and that is no different than you saying fight someone you trust.

so -1

Tal

You are proposing the option to let the game force combat to stop before someone's ship blows up. That is 100% safe combat.

Not going to post in this thread anymore as it seems to have been hi jacked by peeps stating an argument that just doesn't stand and not going around in circles.

What I propose is between duelling parties that have agreed the rules before hand not open world PVP. If you can't get your head around that then nothing more I can say to you.

Tal out

Because what other players want it isn't a good enough reason to add something to EVE though. Maybe other mmos sure, but with a game like EVE you have to balance all the features with everything else. Now if you made dueling more mainstream, you'd see a lot less solo roams in low and null, less people joining FW and probably a big decline in REAL solo PVP. Instead you'd be removing them from the vast interconnected "world" (for a lack of a better term) and instance them in separate little games that have no impact, no meaning and no value to the rest of the game. Do some players want this? Sure! Is it detrimental to the rest of the game? Unfortunately yes.

So no, I just don't see how this is an argument that doesn't stand.

Some other ideas about fixing the CURRENT duel mechanic have been alright, if only to impose repercussions if you involve yourself in a duel that isn't yours, is to the death and can have an impact on the world around it. It shouldn't stop you from involving yourself in someone else's duel. but it should be in line with the concept of suicide ganking really.

Trade doesn't stop because of suicide ganking, they learn to live with it and find ways to better avoid it. You should do the same for your duels.

With a mechanic in place that prevents the loss of ships, you will get more people who want to pvp using this mechanic. These people then become better at pvp'ing through practice. Something they would not of done before due to the risk of loss. So this means more players getting into and getting good at pvp. This leads to better quality fights in other pvp areas of the game (war decs, FW, low/null/W space).

This also means less one sided fights. Those who often win the one sided fights don't want fair/even fights that result in an increase risk to themselves. So they'll turn it down. EvE follows the philosophy of risk vs reward, not just risk. Such a mechanic would fall within the risk vs reward. There is no risk but there is no reward either.

if you want risk less PVP may i suggest WoW