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Highly scalable ISBoxer activities
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Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-10-23 12:30:19 UTC
Anyone know of a scalable (1-15 characters) ISK making activity wih ISBoxer? Mining is a no go, by the time you're at 13 miners (1 booster, 1 hauler), you would not be able to keep up with all the micro management. You can't multibox missions. Incursions could work, but it's not very scalable in the mid region, because, other than the fact some groups don't like multi boxers, it's exceptionally hard to multibox different ship types.
I can't really think of anything else except anom running and DED sites, but the first doesn't scale very well and the 2nd is the same as the first.
Steve WingYip
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-10-23 12:51:04 UTC
Ormand Yvorme wrote:
Anyone know of a scalable (1-15 characters) ISK making activity wih ISBoxer? Mining is a no go, by the time you're at 13 miners (1 booster, 1 hauler), you would not be able to keep up with all the micro management. You can't multibox missions. Incursions could work, but it's not very scalable in the mid region, because, other than the fact some groups don't like multi boxers, it's exceptionally hard to multibox different ship types.
I can't really think of anything else except anom running and DED sites, but the first doesn't scale very well and the 2nd is the same as the first.


Most that I see are mining. But I personally can't see why people do that. The game is not even designed for it anyway.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#3 - 2014-10-23 13:04:26 UTC
Ganking. Warp nados to optimal and boom.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-10-23 13:16:26 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Ganking. Warp nados to optimal and boom.

That's for once I've setup my isk making.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#5 - 2014-10-23 14:02:00 UTC
I've been instapopped in a battlecruiser by ISBoxed tornado blob at 100km+

Ultra lame. Pay to win, flat out.

But apparently CCP likes that kind of action.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-10-23 14:37:14 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
I've been instapopped in a battlecruiser by ISBoxed tornado blob at 100km+

Ultra lame. Pay to win, flat out.

But apparently CCP likes that kind of action.

Well tornadoes are normally sniper (long range alpha) fit with battleship weapons, so..
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-10-23 15:01:30 UTC
i remember hearing from a guy who was multiboxing incursions with spider tanked nightmares. he was ganked after a while but presumably he had made some serious bank at that point.

i can also imagine multiboxing FW missions or lvl5s. lastly, i don't think mining on 10+ accounts is too stressful, as long as you use a freighter for hauling.

I should buy an Ishtar.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-10-23 15:08:39 UTC
Ormand Yvorme wrote:
Anyone know of a scalable (1-15 characters) ISK making activity wih ISBoxer? Mining is a no go, by the time you're at 13 miners (1 booster, 1 hauler), you would not be able to keep up with all the micro management. You can't multibox missions. Incursions could work, but it's not very scalable in the mid region, because, other than the fact some groups don't like multi boxers, it's exceptionally hard to multibox different ship types.
I can't really think of anything else except anom running and DED sites, but the first doesn't scale very well and the 2nd is the same as the first.


Or...uhm...play with others and don't use ISB / use less accounts.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-10-23 15:13:34 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:
Anyone know of a scalable (1-15 characters) ISK making activity wih ISBoxer? Mining is a no go, by the time you're at 13 miners (1 booster, 1 hauler), you would not be able to keep up with all the micro management. You can't multibox missions. Incursions could work, but it's not very scalable in the mid region, because, other than the fact some groups don't like multi boxers, it's exceptionally hard to multibox different ship types.
I can't really think of anything else except anom running and DED sites, but the first doesn't scale very well and the 2nd is the same as the first.


Or...uhm...play with others and don't use ISB / use less accounts.

not helpful, j'poll. your answer was like asking a vegetarian to eat meat like all the others.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-10-23 15:14:52 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:
Anyone know of a scalable (1-15 characters) ISK making activity wih ISBoxer? Mining is a no go, by the time you're at 13 miners (1 booster, 1 hauler), you would not be able to keep up with all the micro management. You can't multibox missions. Incursions could work, but it's not very scalable in the mid region, because, other than the fact some groups don't like multi boxers, it's exceptionally hard to multibox different ship types.
I can't really think of anything else except anom running and DED sites, but the first doesn't scale very well and the 2nd is the same as the first.


Or...uhm...play with others and don't use ISB / use less accounts.
Because I totally get the isk from all those people.. And I get more with more accounts.
Daniel Plain wrote:
i remember hearing from a guy who was multiboxing incursions with spider tanked nightmares. he was ganked after a while but presumably he had made some serious bank at that point.

i can also imagine multiboxing FW missions or lvl5s. lastly, i don't think mining on 10+ accounts is too stressful, as long as you use a freighter for hauling.
Yeah, I know about multiboxing incursions. But I won't be setting up all accounts straight away, I want to build to however many, but (as stated in the op), it's hard to build up with incursions. Mining is less of a problem about hauling (although that's still a problem) and more of a problem of the speed that asteroids would get depleted if I set all of them on one, and if I didn't, then the fact that I need to micro manage it.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-23 15:47:27 UTC
back when i tried serious mining, i would set the overlay on each of my alts to only show one type of ore. that way you can effectively avoid two ships mining the same rock. flying procurers/skiffs also helps because you do not have to spread lasers

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-23 18:37:01 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Or...uhm...play with others and don't use ISB / use less accounts.

not helpful, j'poll. your answer was like asking a vegetarian to eat meat like all the others.

Not helpful, but a pretty typical attitude toward ISBoxers in EvE. If you must box, prepare to be an outcast.

You can pretty much do anything in EVE. I knew a guy that used to run C5 WH sites with about 24 tengus.

Just ask yourself...is it worth it? Do you need all that isk? Why do you need it? For me, the fun part is spending the isk. For others, isk is a metric of how well they are doing, which is fine too. However, I have a lot more respect for the trillionaires that make their fortunes off the markets, using intelligence and guile. All you need for ISBoxing is good software. And if everyone did it the game would be very lame. You're basically just cheating to get rich. So you can expect to be looked down upon by most everyone.

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Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-10-24 01:50:37 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
back when i tried serious mining, i would set the overlay on each of my alts to only show one type of ore. that way you can effectively avoid two ships mining the same rock. flying procurers/skiffs also helps because you do not have to spread lasers
That's a nice method. It won't work perfectly once you reach beyond 3-4 characters (not incl. hauler/booster) because multiple would be mining, but it's a good idea. Thanks :)
Cara Forelli wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Or...uhm...play with others and don't use ISB / use less accounts.

not helpful, j'poll. your answer was like asking a vegetarian to eat meat like all the others.

Not helpful, but a pretty typical attitude toward ISBoxers in EvE. If you must box, prepare to be an outcast.

You can pretty much do anything in EVE. I knew a guy that used to run C5 WH sites with about 24 tengus.

Just ask yourself...is it worth it? Do you need all that isk? Why do you need it? For me, the fun part is spending the isk. For others, isk is a metric of how well they are doing, which is fine too. However, I have a lot more respect for the trillionaires that make their fortunes off the markets, using intelligence and guile. All you need for ISBoxing is good software. And if everyone did it the game would be very lame. You're basically just cheating to get rich. So you can expect to be looked down upon by most everyone.
I plan to use the isk for multibox ganking, gambling and.. Actually trying out a few things I've never been able to do because of the isk (or time) req.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#14 - 2014-10-24 08:11:42 UTC
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Well tornadoes are normally sniper (long range alpha) fit with battleship weapons, so..


No issue with that, but one player with 10 isboxed accounts camping a gate with enough firepower to alpha most subcaps is pay-to-win, flat out.

Like I said. Lame. That is not PVP at all.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-10-24 08:39:23 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Well tornadoes are normally sniper (long range alpha) fit with battleship weapons, so..


No issue with that, but one player with 10 isboxed accounts camping a gate with enough firepower to alpha most subcaps is pay-to-win, flat out.

Like I said. Lame. That is not PVP at all.

Eh. I don't really see isboxer as P2W. It just simplifies the creation of a blob and makes their mobility a bit better.
Also, are 10 nadoes really that strong? I'm gonna go play with eft for a bit..
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#16 - 2014-10-24 12:07:24 UTC
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Eh. I don't really see isboxer as P2W. It just simplifies the creation of a blob and makes their mobility a bit better.
Also, are 10 nadoes really that strong? I'm gonna go play with eft for a bit..


Really?

Not everyone can afford a PC setup that can run ten clients at once. Not everyone can afford to sub 10 accounts.

If I could afford such a setup, I still would not do it. Because this is a multi-player game. One player simultaneously controlling an entire fleet is not what I am interested in. And it would be paying to win were I to do so.

As for "simplification"...if it was ten players controlling those ten ships, that's ten margins for error, ten separate decision loops. Not one instantly communicated and coordinated with perfection across ten different ships.

So sure, I guess that's "simplification." It's also lame, since the only counter is either a) have a huge gang with you or b) be another isboxer.

But, like I said, CCP seems cool with it. So whatever.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Ormand Yvorme
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-10-24 12:12:25 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Eh. I don't really see isboxer as P2W. It just simplifies the creation of a blob and makes their mobility a bit better.
Also, are 10 nadoes really that strong? I'm gonna go play with eft for a bit..


Really?

Not everyone can afford a PC setup that can run ten clients at once. Not everyone can afford to sub 10 accounts.

If I could afford such a setup, I still would not do it. Because this is a multi-player game. One player simultaneously controlling an entire fleet is not what I am interested in. And it would be paying to win were I to do so.

As for "simplification"...if it was ten players controlling those ten ships, that's ten margins for error, ten separate decision loops. Not one instantly communicated and coordinated with perfection across ten different ships.

So sure, I guess that's "simplification." It's also lame, since the only counter is either a) have a huge gang with you or b) be another isboxer.

But, like I said, CCP seems cool with it. So whatever.

Well, it also means that 1 error is 10* worse. But the blob argument is the same argument against blob warfare. "The only counter is another blob"
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-10-24 12:14:47 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Eh. I don't really see isboxer as P2W. It just simplifies the creation of a blob and makes their mobility a bit better.
Also, are 10 nadoes really that strong? I'm gonna go play with eft for a bit..


Really?

Not everyone can afford a PC setup that can run ten clients at once. Not everyone can afford to sub 10 accounts.

If I could afford such a setup, I still would not do it. Because this is a multi-player game. One player simultaneously controlling an entire fleet is not what I am interested in. And it would be paying to win were I to do so.

As for "simplification"...if it was ten players controlling those ten ships, that's ten margins for error, ten separate decision loops. Not one instantly communicated and coordinated with perfection across ten different ships.

So sure, I guess that's "simplification." It's also lame, since the only counter is either a) have a huge gang with you or b) be another isboxer.

But, like I said, CCP seems cool with it. So whatever.

the problem with EVE is that it can be incredibly boring when you only play on one account. i used to run lvl4s on one of my alts while playing world of tanks on the other screen. i can't imagine how boring it would be to operate a freighter in hisec if you can't do other things at the same time.

and no, you can't always be chatting and socializing with your friends/corp to fight the boredom, nor would i want to.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-10-24 17:17:38 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
the problem with EVE is that it can be incredibly boring when you only play on one account. i used to run lvl4s on one of my alts while playing world of tanks on the other screen. i can't imagine how boring it would be to operate a freighter in hisec if you can't do other things at the same time.

and no, you can't always be chatting and socializing with your friends/corp to fight the boredom, nor would i want to.

There's a huge difference between dual-boxing two characters doing separate tasks and ISBoxing 10 guys for a single task. The first can enrich your experience and offer you new opportunities. The second is just bad for gameplay balance, in any situation. In the Tornado example your opponent is basically "fighting" one guy and 9 perfect copycat machines. If I wanted to play against a machine I would go PVE. It's not PVP when it's actually PVPMMMMMMMMM.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#20 - 2014-10-25 04:10:46 UTC
Ormand Yvorme wrote:
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Ormand Yvorme wrote:

Eh. I don't really see isboxer as P2W. It just simplifies the creation of a blob and makes their mobility a bit better.
Also, are 10 nadoes really that strong? I'm gonna go play with eft for a bit..


Really?

Not everyone can afford a PC setup that can run ten clients at once. Not everyone can afford to sub 10 accounts.

If I could afford such a setup, I still would not do it. Because this is a multi-player game. One player simultaneously controlling an entire fleet is not what I am interested in. And it would be paying to win were I to do so.

As for "simplification"...if it was ten players controlling those ten ships, that's ten margins for error, ten separate decision loops. Not one instantly communicated and coordinated with perfection across ten different ships.

So sure, I guess that's "simplification." It's also lame, since the only counter is either a) have a huge gang with you or b) be another isboxer.

But, like I said, CCP seems cool with it. So whatever.

Well, it also means that 1 error is 10* worse. But the blob argument is the same argument against blob warfare. "The only counter is another blob"



you have the carebear mentality....go ahead. But someday all you will be able to do is run ISB gank squads because anything else makes you a target....and deserving to be bombed out of game by a group of social players that might enjoy killing ISB players.....ive already seen some taking that stance...ganking ISB players just because.
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