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Best pirate BS against Guristas

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Altair Taurus
#1 - 2014-10-22 17:58:05 UTC
I think about Vindicator, Machariel and Rattlesnake. Which one is the best against Guristas (Level 4 missions) in your opinion?
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#2 - 2014-10-22 18:36:58 UTC
Out of those three hulls, the RS would be my choice. However, for your intended use, the RNI or Golem are both superior. The Golem winning out only because of EWAR immunity.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#3 - 2014-10-22 21:42:46 UTC
I would say the Kronos is a good contender as well when including the Marauders. Guristas tend to jam quite a bit so any non-marauder will likely have to fit ECCM in order to complete them consistently in the same amount of time a marauder would.
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-10-22 22:58:05 UTC
RS for BS sized. Pith Destroyer resistances are 46% Kinetic / 57% Thermal so if DPS is the same (or similar on all three) then a 1000 points of damage would break out like this:

Rattlesnake 540
Vindicator 485
Mach 430

Obviously things like damage application (plus/minus) will change the results. Also your play style. Rattler can be a stationary tank. Mach and Vindi (assuming you are using blasters) requires speed to get to optimal.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2014-10-23 04:53:28 UTC
+1 for rattlesnake

the vindi is just a bit akward, and well the mach isn't bad, vs guristas the Rattler just doesn't really have any big downside. and still has a ton of dps that hits at pretty much any range.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#6 - 2014-10-23 10:57:57 UTC
If you just want the LP and not the bounties, machariel is untouchable king of L4s.
Voxinian
#7 - 2014-10-23 11:20:18 UTC
It does not really matter which BS you use as long as you have decent skills to fly them. One BS may do a mission a couple minutes faster then an other, but in the long run that does not really matter. I personally do favor missle boats for L4s simply cos I am lazy I don't want to be bothered with range
Rok Hard
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-10-23 16:26:34 UTC
Depends on how you want to fly the ship really.

I think rattlers are damn perfect for Guristas. You can just mjd away from jams and blap things with sentries and cruise missiles. It still gets awesome dps with both weapon systems as well. If I'm doing missions I usually prefer to just sit there and be a turret of death and the rattler fits that perfectly for me.

The Mach and Vindi will require a lot more movement but will still put out competitive dps and your missions completion times will be about the same. The Mach will probably be faster due to better agility and warp speed but it's all about your preferences.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#9 - 2014-10-23 19:46:16 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
I think about Vindicator, Machariel and Rattlesnake. Which one is the best against Guristas (Level 4 missions) in your opinion?


Yep, Rattlesnake. If you were talking null sec anomalies, Vindicator wins (just plop it down in the middle of them and go to town lol). but for missions, rattlesnake. OR Fleet Typhoon. I've used both. Whenn I get lazy with the snake I just pop in FoF cruise missiles and let them and the gecko fly while I go afk for 5 minutes lol.
Altair Taurus
#10 - 2014-10-24 10:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Thanks! So the best choice amongst pirate BS is Rattlesnake. However several posters mentioned marauders and faction battleships. While I cannot fly marauders and I won't be able to do it soon I am curious about faction battleships. So what do you think about CNR vs Rattlesnake against Guristas?
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#11 - 2014-10-24 11:13:01 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Thanks! So the best choice amongst pirate BS is Rattlesnake. However several posters mentioned marauders and faction battleships. While I cannot fly marauders and I won't be able to do it soon I am curious about faction battleships. So what do you think about CNR vs Rattlesnake against Guristas?


Except the sexy looks on the Navy Raven, the pricetag on the Rattlesnake is lower. From a pve point of view the Rattlesnake however does have the perfect bonuses for murdering Guristas.

When your co-pilot (one Gecko to rule them all) is getting hurt too much, you can recall him to the dronebay and let missiles do the work for a while.

And do not despair when you get jammed. Being a Gurista ship the Rattlesnake also happens to have a high jamming resist inbuild.

Happy hunting!

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Altair Taurus
#12 - 2014-10-24 11:29:26 UTC
Great! Could you tell me if Rattlesnake is active or passive shield tanked and if now Rattlesnake is sentry/CM sniper using MJD or mid-range brawler with Gecko?
stoicfaux
#13 - 2014-10-24 12:56:17 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Great! Could you tell me if Rattlesnake is active or passive shield tanked and if now Rattlesnake is sentry/CM sniper using MJD or mid-range brawler with Gecko?

None of the above. Just murder them straight up.

[Rattlesnake, Summer 33]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Gecko x1
Garde II x2
Warden II x2
Hornet II x5

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Altair Taurus
#14 - 2014-10-24 18:01:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:

[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Kinetic Deflection Field
Kinetic Deflection Field
Thermic Dissipation Field
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Gecko x1
Warden x2
Garde x2
Hobgoblin II x5

Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range.
Notorious Fellon
#15 - 2014-10-24 18:08:51 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:

[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Kinetic Deflection Field
Kinetic Deflection Field
Thermic Dissipation Field
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Gecko x1
Warden x2
Garde x2
Hobgoblin II x5

Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range.


No repper? Certainly doesn't have enough passive regen if you are trying to go that route.

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Altair Taurus
#16 - 2014-10-24 18:16:17 UTC
Yes. I am not sure how to shield Rattlesnake properly. I have read about two options: passive & active shield tanks but numbers, numbers...I need proper numbers to select fitting elements.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#17 - 2014-10-24 18:17:25 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
Rattlesnake bought! Here you are my present setup:

[Rattlesnake, anti-Guristas]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Kinetic Deflection Field
Kinetic Deflection Field
Thermic Dissipation Field
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher, Scourge Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Gecko x1
Warden x2
Garde x2
Hobgoblin II x5

Is this fit viable to run level 4 missions? I am not sure about passive shield tank and optimal engagement range.


No repper? Certainly doesn't have enough passive regen if you are trying to go that route.

And basic T1 launchers? If you can't use T2, at least get Arbalest launchers (or whatever the Meta 4 / 'high damage' variant will be named after module tiericide).

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Altair Taurus
#18 - 2014-10-24 18:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Yes, I can fit better CM launchers. Simply typo. As for passive shield tank I have another option:

[Mids]
2x Kinetic Deflection Field
2x Thermic Dissipation Field

[Rigs]
3x Large Core Defense Field Purger II

This gives 145k EHP and 350 HP/s shields repair speed. Is it enough with MJD? However the main drawback is my damage application suffers a lot with no proper rigs and target painters!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#19 - 2014-10-24 19:05:23 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Yes. I am not sure how to shield Rattlesnake properly. I have read about two options: passive & active shield tanks but numbers, numbers...I need proper numbers to select fitting elements.


Seems you need eft (EVE Fitting Tool) whic h you can find here in this forum section. And don't forget to thank Gripen for his work on that, he is awesome!

Now with this tool you can set up your Rattlesnake, import your character and create fittings which you can import into the EVE client, how cool is that?

Now one thing you also should do is to create a damage profile for Guristas. Play around with eft, you will like it.

And another source of information to keep an eye on would be http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsLevel4 for level 4 missions.
But this site also contains invaluable information from players about complexes, DED and COSMOS sites.

One little thing to consider in level 4 missions is that some of them only have a small number of battleship NPCs and a larger number of smaller ones.
The Rattlesnake has a bonus for all missile launchers if you have trouble hitting them with cruise missiles. So if you want to use havy assault missiles or heavy missiles, there is no shame involved.

The missle damage bonus is for all missiles and rockets you can fit.

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Altair Taurus
#20 - 2014-10-24 19:17:01 UTC
Well, I already use EFT with my profile and Guristas damage specs...
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