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Bribes for Faction Standing
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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#41 - 2014-10-23 21:26:13 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Most faction corps have stations in the other empires. Spam them in space you aren't shoot on site with to not get shoot on site standing.

Then you can bribe them at the data centres they run buying tags.


Depending on faction you made mad at you, SOE is also an option. I had gallente really not like me once. SOE missions (unless changed) give a somewhat decent splash faction boost to gallente and iirc just a bit to minmatar. I hit SOE agents not in gallente space until I was cleared for their space.



starter missions and data centers can be done once, then epic arcs 1 every 3 months. I agree with payment because:
1. CCP is always looking for ISK sinks to remove isk out of the game.
2. if you ever intend to rebalance your character that can be a lot of level ones, at one point i was needing over 1500 level ones with skills.
3. the mechanic already exist for sec status

The lvl 1 data center agent is infinitely farmable while below 0.

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Flying crazier,

And drinking more

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#42 - 2014-10-23 21:27:20 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Zan Shiro wrote:
Most faction corps have stations in the other empires. Spam them in space you aren't shoot on site with to not get shoot on site standing.

Then you can bribe them at the data centres they run buying tags.


Depending on faction you made mad at you, SOE is also an option. I had gallente really not like me once. SOE missions (unless changed) give a somewhat decent splash faction boost to gallente and iirc just a bit to minmatar. I hit SOE agents not in gallente space until I was cleared for their space.



starter missions and data centers can be done once, then epic arcs 1 every 3 months. I agree with payment because:
1. CCP is always looking for ISK sinks to remove isk out of the game.
2. if you ever intend to rebalance your character that can be a lot of level ones, at one point i was needing over 1500 level ones with skills.
3. the mechanic already exist for sec status



get a friend have friend share standings, epic arc standings for faction share (intended or not it does). sisters of eve can be run by any 1 day old alt.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#43 - 2014-10-24 01:30:07 UTC
Ix Method

We can go back and forth forever so let me try this re-stating of my position and see if it helps clear this up.

Any and all forms of payment for standings need to be removed from the game. Since this is not likely to happen because of the cries from the PvP community we then have these.

Any new system of payment for standing that is placed into the game MUST be available to ALL players regardless of their standings.

Any new system of payment for standings that is placed into the game MUST have a cost associated with it that is reasonable so ALL players can afford to use it. There are many ways that such a system can be balanced to avoid exploitation by vets yet still allow new players with small wallets to use it.
Brigadine Ferathine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-10-24 04:53:41 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Well that's kinda the point isn't it. If you were to do something like [allow purchasing of standings above 0] it would need to be priced high enough that, in general, players would only be able to do it for few enough corps as not to make standings completely redundant and that tags/whatever are used would be valuable enough to farm.

How about that 6 month toon that has been truly idiotic about missions, yet having a bil to use to repair standings is only a dream. How would this system be fair to them and how would it increase the chances of these players staying in the game?

Who cares? Not everything has to help new players, it just doesn't have to directly and actively hinder them which this wouldn't.

Trying to suggest balancing any system like this against extremely poor players is ridiculous, if anyone can afford to bump their standings for 50m-100m a decent percentage of the playerbase could simply flatout buy standings for every single NPC corp in the game and suddenly standings are worthless.

Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

What do you mean "who cares?" "not everything needs to help new players." Dude missions are one of if not THE first things new players do. No wonder this game is dying.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#45 - 2014-10-24 12:00:11 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:

Faction repair plan. its a thing on these forums its all you need.


you put in the work to tank your standings now put in the work to increase them.


Going through the Faction standing repair plan is a) time consuming b) dull as ditch water.

I'm assuming you are happy with said game design?

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-10-24 21:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
Donnachadh wrote:
Ix Method

We can go back and forth forever so let me try this re-stating of my position and see if it helps clear this up.

Any and all forms of payment for standings need to be removed from the game. Since this is not likely to happen because of the cries from the PvP community we then have these.

Any new system of payment for standing that is placed into the game MUST be available to ALL players regardless of their standings.

Any new system of payment for standings that is placed into the game MUST have a cost associated with it that is reasonable so ALL players can afford to use it. There are many ways that such a system can be balanced to avoid exploitation by vets yet still allow new players with small wallets to use it.

You're still missing why the current standings system is broken.

They are attainable via PVE and pretty much entirely unattainable for people who have no interest in saving a damsel.

The reason Datacenters, etc. exist is so those people who don't care to shoot red crosses have access to jump clones, refining standings or whatever else.

The reason Datacenters, etc. are expensive to use (and any extension to the system would be similarly so) is to maintain the value of the advantage they provide. If you make the system affordable to MsMyFirstRaven after a week of L4s you instantly remove that value.

This is literally nothing to do with the 'PVP community,' elitism, whining voices in your head or the numerous other imagined cabals you've mentioned previously.

It has everything to do with the stupidity of forcing people with no inclination for PVE to train for and then run 100s of missions while reading the Dummies Guide to Suicide, just because their corp moved to a Quafe station.

Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
What do you mean "who cares?" "not everything needs to help new players." Dude missions are one of if not THE first things new players do. No wonder this game is dying.

I thought that was down to people flying ratting Kronos' in nullsec and then raging on the forums when someone shoots them? Oh...

Travelling at the speed of love.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#47 - 2014-10-24 22:15:36 UTC
Efraya wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:

Faction repair plan. its a thing on these forums its all you need.


you put in the work to tank your standings now put in the work to increase them.


Going through the Faction standing repair plan is a) time consuming b) dull as ditch water.

I'm assuming you are happy with said game design?



considering you only need to be -4.99 to move anywhere in space ya I'm happy with it. as There is a skill that at lv5 makes it not take so long.

If you want it at -1.99 to be able to do missions well they are no more fun than doing the plan so if you can't stomach the plan missions aren't your cup of tea either.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#48 - 2014-10-25 02:27:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Ix Method wrote:
You're still missing why the current standings system is broken..

You are so wrong. I fully understand how and why you think the current system is broken I simply do not care because it should not exist. See I hate shooting red crosses as well but it is the best way to get to the standing levels I need for the parts of this game I do enjoy.

If you do not like shooting red crosses and all of the other component parts of repairing standing then resign yourself to a permanent life in low and nul as dozens of other players I know have done.

Being realistic about this since I know I am in a distinct minority the best thing I can say about the current system is that EVERYONE can use and that is fair and makes it a livable situation for me.

You will always get a hell no from me for any idea that makes it faster and easier for those with negative standings to repair them unless that system is made available to ALL players regardless of standings.


Oh and news flash, if you have well trained PvP skills then no additional training is need to run missions at any level so your whole wasted time training skills thing is worthless as an argument.
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