EVE General Discussion

You really need more skill points. Eventually it becomes irrelevant which race you start with, you can always train skills for another race and race specific skills IN NO WAY make up the bulk of your skill training time. See you in 80M SP or so...

3 TE IIs, 4 GyroII(or faction), holy hell does it do insane damage at range. When I can get logi support, add an AB and a TCII or two and hilarity ensues.

When Hail prices drop, nearly 1000 dps applied out to falloff at 69km is wacky fun. (I can do a new, buffed Forsaken Hub in under a wallet tick with Hail)

[Machariel, Mission run]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Explosion Dampening Field
Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Barrage L
500W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Warrior II x5
Ogre II x4

I tried this.. and failed... shooting webfiing turret at 60km .. well what i counted was about 25dps... or it sure as hell looked like i was tickling it...or shooting with snowballs.
shooting elite cruisers at 60km about the same at 30km around 50dps at 5km could not hit it..

As i say i am not that awesome just cant fly that ****... So i switched to 1400mm, which paper wise got about fifty dps less then AC one but with 110km to 16km for full dmg..

well there are some things to discourage solo suiciders .. etc.

I dont fly cap stable ships since its useless.. dont know why someone trying to have cap stable ships for anything xD

I got Minmatar BS V, gallante BS V. All support gunnery skills V .. specs just IV xC

SP wise i am near perfect pilot for pure combat ships / not an EW one..
Angular velocity well i use that with 1400mm when they get close i just copy their direction and shoot them for perfect strike. With 800mm well i was out of luck...

I probably try something again... Maybe problem was that i tried it at lvl V mission

second midslot on my retribution, NAO!!!

Since when can I fit Tachs on a Maller or Prophecy?

Scorch is irelevant sub BS and outside of fleets as every fight is <10km becouse of web/scram range.

Abaddon has damage and resitence boni ... NOT 10% cap/laser pseudo ****.

Simple fact: if a Amarr Ship work MUCH better with Autocannons/Artis then with Lasers ... something is damn broken.

The Amarr are a selvish arogant and elitist race ... they would NEVER use their slaves weapons!

@ RubyPorto

you know what you are talking about

There are 2 things that irrelevant when you discuss weapon systems:
1. Reloading times - you just can't bring up that lasers don't need reloading and others need. Hybrids have 5 sec reloading time now, when you reload you miss only one volley. ACs load so much ammo so you don't need to reload them for years, you usually have enough ammo to take down few people without reloading at all.

2. Use of ammo - It doesn't matter if your guns use ammo or not. When you die you loose all, having or not having ammo doesn't change that fact. If you died because you ran out of ammo - that's your own problem. For 5 years of living in null I never had that problem. Moreover, lasers use ammo! OMG! Yes, if you really fly and pvp with Amarr ships for a long time you know better then anyone using T1 Crystals affects your performance so much, T2 and Faction crystals are the only choice if you try to compete with others.

When you ignore those 2 irrelevant things Lasers become the worst weapon system compared to ACs and Hybrids.
Moreover if you add Amarr cap use bonus for turrets into comparison woth others this race becomes the weakest.

Not many people have actually mentioned those, let alone hung their arguments on them. Men filled with straw are pretty easy to pick apart.

Per the recent Devblog on PVP Stats:

Top 20 Final Blows:
Amarr ~1.2m killing blows
4. Zealot 466k
6. Harbi 360k
8. Geddon 256k
11. Abaddon 241k

Gallente (mind you this is pre-Hybrid Buff) ~800k killing blows
7. Megathron 313k
13. Ranis 224k
17. Ishtar 199k

Not too shabby.
Now to Weapons

4m killing bows to Projectiles (no surprise due to popularity and ROF)
2m to Energy
1,7m to Hybrids (again pre-nerf)
1.4m to DRONES
1m to Missiles


Mind you, these are only based on killing blows. So High ROF is a huge advantage in getting them.


I'll admit, Amarr is underwhelming in the T2 Frigate department (except Intys), and does tend to require a relatively high skill investment (Cap Skills Cap Skills Cap Skills), but lasers are MAGIC.

The Optimal on a Pulse Abaddon is 58k with Scorch doing 718 DPS and is somewhat easy on the Cap Boosters. Get in Close, swap your TCs to Tracking and you get 900 DPS at 15k tracking at .06 (plenty to perfectly hit Ahax orbiting at 2500) with Navy Multi, all while boasting 130k EHP without fleet boosts. This is an enormous breadth of engage-able ranges and let's a competent FC make magic happen with your fleet.

Zealot gets 57k EHP on a AB cruiser hull, 33.8km with Scorch (406dps), 11km with Navy Multi (506dps), after-burning around at 550m/s. Same deal as the Abaddon, but faster. Happens to be Capstable.

Remember, this is all based on Optimal, no Falloff.

If you try to make your Amarr Laserboat capstable you will usually Fail miserably. A Cap booster BPO is lovely because of this, as are small/medium cans in cargo.

I'll also admit that I have little experience flying Gallente in PvP (just took my Phobos for a fleet, They fit ACs because 2 small guns might as well stay cap free to avoid screwing up your bubbles), but Blaster boats MELT FACE if flown right, and Rail Sniping boats are more than a little frightening (read: Why I'm Training Hybrids next). I've flown against both.

As for EM only, despite the abundance of Armor tanking, EM still tends to have slightly low EHP, and beyond that, EVERYONE OMNITANKS, so your damage type doesn't really matter.

Caldari: Missiles > Lag eats missiles, and Flight time means your target's dead before you apply *ANY* dps.

Minmatar: Projectiles > WINmatar is a Meme for a reason. Minnie is awesome, no denying it. But the Amarr VICTOR is equally valid. The prevalence of Armor fleets for Srsbsns pixelfights in my corner of EVE makes Minmatar slightly less useful, but that's due to other reasons (Guardian >= Basilisk, and Armor Caps >>>>>> Shield Caps).

This post has also so far ignored EVERYTHING that isn't a direct DPS main fleet type ship.

Recons: Curse = Awesome, Neuting is so much fun. Arazu/Lachesis = More Win, ~100km Point? YES PLEASE! But then all the Recons are awesome (Pilgrim might be the downer there, but I haven't flown it yet).

Logi: Boils down to Armor v Shield really, with the Onei buff, they're all situationally useful. And Logi win fights.

Marauders: Who cares, but the Paladin Webs like a Mofo if you want to incusion, Gall one is ****, but it's a Marauder, nobody cares what the best PvE ship is.

Blackops: Schoolbuses all, but Redeemer packs a hell of a Punch and the Sin aligns fast (Haven't flown Blops, so just from the outside looking in), Widow seems underwhelming, and Panther seems nice.

Battlecruisers: Thrive in Fast fleets, so basically require shield tank. Harbi does amazing damage shield tanked, but loses big in survival; same but moreso to Brutix. Cane and Drake are always gonna be the staples here due to their good shield tanks.
(Prophecy is terrible, so is the Ferox. Myrm and Cyclone are situational)

Command Ships: Mostly about the Boosts, and I can't fly them, and I can't really offer an educated opinion other than they seem pretty well even.

Cruisers: Most of the Cruisers are meh to begin with. Not a big fan of the Caldari hulls here, a couple options I like in Amarr and Minnie. Not a class I fly often

Destroyers: Coercer kills frigs. Cormy kills frigs. Catalyst kills frigs (can be lolfit for 895dps). Thrasher kills frigs. 'nuff said

EAFs: Yeah.... Bout those.... CCP, wanna explain why you did these? Keres can be a good decloak frig for gatecamps.

Hictor: Devotor rocks. Phobos is a bubbler. Onyx is a Bubbler. Broadsword rocks. Pick based on armor/shield and which race you've got Cruiser V already

JF: For the Lulz, Anshar is cheap to buy, expensive to run. Ty Goons, made some nice coin on Oxy as well.

Bomber: Fit the Bomb everyone else is. Purifier/Nemisis are a nightmare to fit, gotta hand it to Minnie/Caldari here

T3: Tengu is awesome. Legion can get better than 500k EHP. Loki Webs. Proteus... tanks plexes? T3s are too spendy for me to PVP in, so 2nd and 3rd hand knowledge here.

There you go. Tell me if I've missed a shiptype. We got Stats saying people fly a lot of Amarr ships (not as many as WINmatar, but I've never claimed Minnie isn't good) and a surprising number of Gall BS (surprised me). Minnie is also much more flyable at low SP than Amarr is, so plenty of people fly it, and the shield tank skills transfer from Caldari carebearing. Drakes are common because they're very flyable at low SP, and EVERYONE and their mother learns to carebear in them, so taking one out for early PvP is an easy step.


EDIT: Forgot the Rookie ships. Velator is the most powerful, Lasers are the only way to fit your Ibis, Amarr one doesn't look like crap, Reaper is... Flat?

Covops: Gallente has a Drone, The rest have 3 high slots. The Anathema can Tank 770DPS in a Lolfit.