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First Arek'Jaalan Symposium : Restructuring & Leadership - YC116-YC117

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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#81 - 2014-10-20 19:13:16 UTC
I'm soliciting the following:

We're still missing some proposals to address election cycles/method, new divisions, it would be great to have someone write out Arek'jaalan's mandate (to be signed by any new officers), and the an "Oath" document to go along with it.

Again the oath, and Arek'jaalan's mandate should go together to make sure that oath taking ia aligned with the goals of the project.



Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#82 - 2014-10-20 19:45:03 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
Maybe we capsuleers are simply too powerful and individualistic by nature to achieve this kind of cooperation without an undisputed leader like Dr. Tukoss.


Possibly.

There are seemingly only a handful of people who are active, and who were in positions of authority in the old A'J organisation. Such as myself.

While my scientific reputation is quite impressive, I am fairly sure that not everyone would be willing to support myself as sole director of research.

Likewise, no other candidate would command unanimous support.

And without that unanimity, then... is it really A'J ? or just a collection of people using the A'J name, to try and give their pet projects a veneer of credibility ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#83 - 2014-10-20 21:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
If I'd known what Hilen Tukoss would make, I would have had that fleet turn his freighter into a few light-seconds long smear before it ever entered Republic space, instead of escorting him. This second iteration seems no less prone to include every low life in New Eden. All that is missing is Silas and the Sanshettes.
I find myself in agreement with this lady. I will pray for her. And the destruction of this treacherous and childish clique.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#84 - 2014-10-20 23:02:02 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
If I'd known what Hilen Tukoss would make, I would have had that fleet turn his freighter into a few light-seconds long smear before it ever entered Republic space, instead of escorting him. This second iteration seems no less prone to include every low life in New Eden. All that is missing is Silas and the Sanshettes.
I find myself in agreement with this lady. I will pray for her. And the destruction of this treacherous and childish clique.


You pray for someone who butchers the faithful, Your Grace?
Leveaux
Manu Fortius
#85 - 2014-10-21 02:50:53 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
It's good to see this getting some momentum.

First, I'm happy to see Morwen Lagann, Valerie Valate and Esna Pitoojee ready to take or confirm the lead in their respective divisions, and approve of this without hesitation.
In the same vein, I would like to propose myself to take lead in the Multidisciplinary division (Unless Akasha Prime is still active and willing to take this position?). It was always the division I was the most involved into, my project was under it's responsibility, and I maintained a good think tank on astrophysics through my corporation.

Coming back to the matter at hand:

I would like to reiterate here the important idea that Arek'Jalaan must not become a formal alliance or corporation, in CONCORD's sense of the word. This would expose us to formal war declarations, and, as Dr. Valate already mentioned, individuals need extra room.

My idea for a renewal of Arek'Jalaan would be this:


  • We keep the existing divisions (almost all of them, more on that later).
  • Each division is either a Research Division (blue in the next diagram), or an Administrative Division (red in the next diagram).
  • Each division will have a Division Leader (and a Substitute, to act in his or her place when unavailable for critical periods of time.)
  • Decisions regarding Arek'Jalaan as a whole will be taken by a Council of the Division Leaders, with a majority of 2/3.
  • The Arek'Jalaan Council will have a Chairman, designed by its members, who will be in charge of leading the Council's discussions, and in general, act as an embodiment of Arek'Jalaan for any action requiring a specific person.
  • Every Division Leader will become Chairman, this position being passed every month to the next Division Leader.
  • Mandates of the Division Leaders (and Substitutes) should be renewed at the Division's members discretion. Terms should be kept long enough to be meaningful. (A year ?)
  • Division Leaders are encouraged to consult their Division Members when possible and needed, but may take decisions on behalf of their Division without concentration, without any penalty other than a lower chance of reelection for a later term.
  • Division Leaders will be in charge of establishing or maintaining any communication medium for their Division internal discussions, as before.


Here, a diagram.

Concerning the Divisions:

I am rather opposed to the creation of an "Internal Security" division, mentioned earlier. This should already be quite in the realm of the Security Division.

In a more general way, I think we should cut down on the existing divisions. Recenter our forces, after the bleeding of brains we suffered, and, in the organization presented above, this will give us less Division Leaders, for a more efficient Council.

Research Divisions:

  • Sleeper Technology and Sleeper History should be merged, IMHO.
  • Same goes for Talocan History and Talocan Technology.
  • Rogue Drones remains unchanged.
  • Ancient Races remains unchanged.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.


Administrative Divisions:

  • Acquisition remains unchanged, and will continue to manage mobile assets.
  • Security remains unchanged.
  • The Ethics Committee remains unchanged.
  • Archiving and Documentation absorbs Media Relations & Information Dissemination.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.
  • Logistics & Administration is disbanded, it's responsibilities shared between Acquisition and the Council.


This gives us 10 Divisions, a Council of 10 people will already be hard enough to manage. 7 votes would be required for a motion to pass.

This vision is very clear for me, but please give me your feedback, or feel free to take it as a starting point and iterate.

(Edit: As far as the "Who" question goes, besides my own candidacy to the role of Multidisciplinary Division Lead, and the approval of my other "re-emergent colleagues", I have no recommendations. I would be very happy to see former Division Leads coming back, especially those who held delicate positions, such as the Antiquarian. If they do not want to be involved again, replacements can be selected by us as a whole once we have our structure defined.)



I am what you would considered “new blood” as I was not part of the first iteration of Arek’Jaalan , but I am very interested in joining the researching ranks of the proposed new version. Gehen Sealbreaker, I have read your proposal of the new structure and, although it may not mean much due to my “new blood” status, I fully support your proposal and the revival of Arek’Jaalan. I just hope that all parties involved can put aside their differences and see this attempt come to fruition.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#86 - 2014-10-21 08:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Considering the scope of this project, I would advise to keep the bickering for later folks. It will include alot of people with a questionable background. If you are concerned about keeping a clean track record, Arek'Jaalan might not be the project you want to be part of.

That said, the newly propsed structure with a Council should help in assuring that information making it out is a benefit to us all, not just a small group. On top of it, the Ethical committee is part of Arek'Jaalan, I'd think they would keep unethical research down to a minimum.

Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:



Here, a diagram.

Concerning the Divisions:

I am rather opposed to the creation of an "Internal Security" division, mentioned earlier. This should already be quite in the realm of the Security Division.

In a more general way, I think we should cut down on the existing divisions. Recenter our forces, after the bleeding of brains we suffered, and, in the organization presented above, this will give us less Division Leaders, for a more efficient Council.

Research Divisions:

  • Sleeper Technology and Sleeper History should be merged, IMHO.
  • Same goes for Talocan History and Talocan Technology.
  • Rogue Drones remains unchanged.
  • Ancient Races remains unchanged.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.


Administrative Divisions:

  • Acquisition remains unchanged, and will continue to manage mobile assets.
  • Security remains unchanged.
  • The Ethics Committee remains unchanged.
  • Archiving and Documentation absorbs Media Relations & Information Dissemination.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.
  • Logistics & Administration is disbanded, it's responsibilities shared between Acquisition and the Council.


This gives us 10 Divisions, a Council of 10 people will already be hard enough to manage. 7 votes would be required for a motion to pass.

This vision is very clear for me, but please give me your feedback, or feel free to take it as a starting point and iterate.


This sounds like a good starting point for a renewed launch of the A'J project. I agree with you on the merges. On security, one could expand their task including expeditions to dangerous areas to retrieve materials & knowledge as they got the combat experience already. (not sure if this was already in their original role). I do agree with you that Internal security should be part of the broader 'Security' division.

If you need someone for the division 'Media Relations & Documentation' I am a volunteer for this.

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Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#87 - 2014-10-21 11:15:47 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
If I'd known what Hilen Tukoss would make, I would have had that fleet turn his freighter into a few light-seconds long smear before it ever entered Republic space, instead of escorting him. This second iteration seems no less prone to include every low life in New Eden. All that is missing is Silas and the Sanshettes.
I find myself in agreement with this lady. I will pray for her. And the destruction of this treacherous and childish clique.


You pray for someone who butchers the faithful, Your Grace?

Samira

I pray for mankind collectively. I even pray for you and your nameless ancestors. I pray that God gives us the strength to bear even the most minacious men, the most insidious schemes, and the most moronic questions... That He gives us the strength to be His workers, His insufficient instruments in the garden of faith. I find solace in His eternal might, for He knows what distinguishes the true believer from the idle and ostentatious hypocrites.

Regards
Odelya d'Hanguest, Begum
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#88 - 2014-10-22 11:09:42 UTC
Joe Themachine wrote:
It would be great to have someone write out Arek'jaalan's mandate (to be signed by any new officers), and the an "Oath" document to go along with it.

Again the oath, and Arek'jaalan's mandate should go together to make sure that oath taking ia aligned with the goals of the project.


As far as I'm concerned, I feel we should, if we want to continue being Arek'Jalaan, to stick to the original mission statement.
I would, however, amend it, changing all references to "Sleeper technology" to "unknown technology". This would not limit the explicit focus of the organization to one ancient race, or even to the ancient races in general.

Dr. Valate, regarding your questions and doubts, that I share, I believe we must try, and do our best.

Regarding the recent claims concerning Vincent Pryce, or the hostile declarations made by Odelya d'Hanguest or Mizhara Del'thul, I would like to remember you all that, until a new Arek'Jalaan governing body is formed, the rules edicted by the old one still stands, and we are then a "Presumptive Meritocracy", to use the official term. In short, everyone is welcome.

I would, however, vote to officially amend the Ethics Guidelines to state clearly that any pledge of allegiance to the Nation should make one uninvited to Arek'Jalaan, and discharged of any previous role in its organization. Research and Education require free thought, and free thoughts are not the way of Sansha's Nation.
Exceptions to this rule can exist: anyone requesting A'J to ignore a former pledge of allegiance to Nation (because double agent, pledge took under pressure, etc) should comply to a thourough check by the Ethics Commitee and / or Security Division, which must include an audit of all known clones for unsavory implantations.

Barring this specific case, I see no reasons of refusing anyone the possibility to enter Arek'Jalaan. So-called "pirate" factions often have very interesting technologies, as all capsuleers know. It would be foolish to shun them based on political agendas. Most "pirate" factions can have ethically sound members, after all. I will not discuss the specific case of the Blood Raiders due to my long-lived conflict with them, and the bias it brings.
Jace Sarice
#89 - 2014-10-22 12:41:51 UTC
A small piece of advice from an outsider - you may consider limiting the roles and/or membership of capsuleers brand new to space. Little good comes from placing any responsibility on someone a couple weeks into their pod.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
#90 - 2014-10-23 22:04:58 UTC
Is this project about science or about politics? Because it seems more about the latter than the former....
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#91 - 2014-10-24 02:54:36 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Is this project about science or about politics? Because it seems more about the latter than the former....


The project is about science but the organisation itself is all politics.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#92 - 2014-10-24 15:07:28 UTC
Any update on this?

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Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
#93 - 2014-10-24 18:53:39 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Merdaneth wrote:
Is this project about science or about politics? Because it seems more about the latter than the former....


The project is about science but the organisation itself is all politics.


Can I hear more about the science, and less about the politics then?
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#94 - 2014-10-24 18:58:37 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Merdaneth wrote:
Is this project about science or about politics? Because it seems more about the latter than the former....


The project is about science but the organisation itself is all politics.


Can I hear more about the science, and less about the politics then?


I'd be happy to discuss science things with you, Merdaneth, dear.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
#95 - 2014-10-24 19:03:04 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:

I'd be happy to discuss science things with you, Merdaneth, dear.


I'll be awaiting a briefing and update in my mailbox.
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#96 - 2014-10-24 20:34:49 UTC
As some of you may not have noted, Dr Tukoss, the MIA leader of Arek'Jalaan, has resurfaced. The communications were not good, and some are suspecting a fake transmission.

I will let Joe TheMachine decide about the next steps, but in my opinion, this Symposium must continue. Arek'Jalaan was always perceived as fluid by Dr. Tukoss, and the structure may need to adapt if a rescue effort is needed.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#97 - 2014-10-25 03:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Themachine
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
As some of you may not have noted, Dr Tukoss, the MIA leader of Arek'Jalaan, has resurfaced. The communications were not good, and some are suspecting a fake transmission.

I will let Joe TheMachine decide about the next steps, but in my opinion, this Symposium must continue. Arek'Jalaan was always perceived as fluid by Dr. Tukoss, and the structure may need to adapt if a rescue effort is needed.



This is an important development, and it means we must expedite the process. Arek'jaalan must be in the lead in dealing with this possible new threat or new opportunity. If the message from Dr. Tukoss is really from him, then this can be just the right opportunity for Arek'jaalan to show it's "stuff".

Recenlty I have received requests for extending this sympsium to allow for greater participation. But, based on this new information, and our previously scheduled deadline I can only extend this discussion a relatively small amount so that we can move onto the voting portion, and so that the new governing body/officers can have enough time to plan for this development.

Therefore, since many here have yet to make proposals for a new arek'jaalan structure (governing process, executive structure, etc etc.), as per my mandate, I will extend the symposium deadline an additional week (until the end of this standard solar month).

There can be no additional extension after this one, but I am sure that the new governing body will, at their discretion, organize similar events. Feel free to make specific proposals, which will be put up for a vote by open ballot in the second part of the symposium.

Remember, exactly 7 standard days from now we will conclude this forum, and begin the process of voting on the new structure and proposals issued here in this discussion.
Siobhan MacLeary
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-10-25 04:15:00 UTC
I am in support of Gehen Sealbraeaker's proposal, though at this time I am not volunteering myself to assume leadership of a division.

As an aside, has anyone had success in physically accessing structures within Sleeper sites? I've been working diligently at doing so, and have yet to accomplish much more than breaking into a sealed and nonfunctional airlock.

Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#99 - 2014-10-25 14:41:12 UTC
As some of you are already aware, Arek'Jalaan's security division had its first minutes practically a week ago. We haven't disclosed our statements at the given time because we were waiting for some other divisions to kick into gear as well, and there was no reason to rush things.

The matters we established are rather simple;
The AJ:SEC will take care of the project's security needs, internal and external. In order not to take participants' attention away from the R&D machinations of the project, SEC's primary approach will be to solve any issues without the use of force; an elaborate diplomatic approach will always be the first step, unless a swift armed response is deemed necessary.
AJ:SEC's RoE will be NRDS, which of course doesn't extend to people's individual standings when outside of AJ:SEC, but only applies to SEC fleets.
AJ:SEC will rely on armed and able volunteers from the project for its fleets, with the SEC leads providing strategic and tactical leadership and logistics. Given the sensitivity of the related intel, SEC leads reserve the right to keep intel on a need-to-know basis only.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#100 - 2014-10-25 16:21:08 UTC
I'll also support Gehen Sealbreaker's proposal for operating structure, and I'll volunteer to head up the sleeper research division if no one more qualified wants the position.