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Invading an Empire with a Player Alliance

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Axel Gabster
#1 - 2014-10-23 18:30:03 UTC
Is it possible at all to invade one of the factions with a player alliance?. Yes, I realise the feasibility could be deemed nearly impossible, but I am asking about the actual practicality. CONCORD will surely mass up, but burn Jita showed a way around that, and sure, the stations will stay intact, but is it possible to deploy sovereignty structures and blockades? Do the factions use any sovereignty structures that could be destroyed?

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Ama Scelesta
#2 - 2014-10-23 18:42:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ama Scelesta
No it is not possible. In general terms the game can be divided in to 3 larger sections. Empire (highsec and lowsec), nullsec (0.0 space in known space) and wormholes. Sov warfare of any kind is only available in nullsec. In other areas of space there are player groups who assert control on the area where they block gates and hunt down intruders, but there are no official mechanics to support those efforts. Lowsec has faction warfare that changes NPC control, but it still remains under the control of other NPC factions. In highsec CONCORD has such a strong presence, that open warfare is limited to wardecs between corporations. That means there is no feasible way to claim an area for yourself, but you can try deny that area to certain other player organizations.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#3 - 2014-10-23 18:45:26 UTC
Nope, the sov structures don't do anything outside of k-space nullsec. You can't even online them in wormhole space, which is also considered nullsec.

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Viktor Fel
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Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-10-23 19:37:39 UTC
Burn Jita anyone?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-10-23 20:29:36 UTC
Axel Gabster wrote:
Is it possible at all to invade one of the factions with a player alliance?. Yes, I realise the feasibility could be deemed nearly impossible, but I am asking about the actual practicality. CONCORD will surely mass up, but burn Jita showed a way around that, and sure, the stations will stay intact, but is it possible to deploy sovereignty structures and blockades? Do the factions use any sovereignty structures that could be destroyed?


No. You simply can't deploy SOV structures outside of SOV null-sec.

Hell, it isn't even possible in NPC null-sec.


And you kind of already could answer that yourself...

As if it was possible, people would have already done it.

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Axel Gabster
#6 - 2014-10-24 06:12:49 UTC
Alright. Thanks peeps. I just wanted to double check. It's a pity really. It would be interesting to see player factions getting involved in large scale warfare against the Empires at some point. I just don't like how the map has some high-sec exclaves north and south of the galactic core.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-24 07:08:50 UTC
Axel Gabster wrote:
Alright. Thanks peeps. I just wanted to double check. It's a pity really. It would be interesting to see player factions getting involved in large scale warfare against the Empires at some point. I just don't like how the map has some high-sec exclaves north and south of the galactic core.


IIRC there is no exclave empire systems. All of empire is connected to each other.

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Nerath Naaris
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#8 - 2014-10-24 12:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
You sure can try to claim one or more systems for yourself or your Alliance by trying to evict the current residents. Just wardec any Corps that operate in your claimed system and suicide gank anyone who is with an NP Corps.

And while warring against player Corps you might have some success, against NPC members you will run out of security status rather quickly, so your chances for success of claiming even one system are rather slim.
Also, since stations are not claimable, the whole thing would be quite pointless.

Edit: To clarify, there are cases where one just might speak of ownership of hi-sec systems by Null-sec Alliances in the broadest sense, the system of Uedama being such a case, which is notorious for ganking.
I guess if Goonswarm and friends would expand their activities from simple industrial ganking to a total blockade of this system including camping every asteroid belt, gate and station for 24/7, they could rightfully claim to "own" that system.

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Toshiro Hasegawa
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#9 - 2014-10-24 14:32:23 UTC
conversely i have thought of what if the NPC Empires invaded Alliance space

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Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-10-25 16:57:08 UTC
Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:
conversely i have thought of what if the NPC Empires invaded Alliance space

Yeah, definitely would shake things up, more than likely break the Blue Doughnut into crumbs.

I think if CCP annouced that in a Dev Blog, SOV Alliance members would hear it like this .........

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Doomheim
#11 - 2014-10-29 03:06:09 UTC
Sovereignty in wormholes please.

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#12 - 2014-10-29 12:14:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Yes, absolutely.

Sov mechanics are like a piece of paper. Unless there are people with guns making sure that said piece of paper has legitimasy, said piece of paper is nothing more than what you use on the toilet. Pasta has shown that in the south.

Ownership is an illusion. One does not need game mechanics to rightfully call a spot of space his own. What matters is that the people who live there believe in it and defend it if necessary. Or you do it by yourself. In the end, it's purely psychological.

To quote Hargbard Celine... "Ownership if theft." If you own a farm on a piece of paper, but have slaves working there and never visit it, then the only thing that makes said farm actually yours is the law which protects your piece of paper.

It becomes worthless, as soon as there are more people with bigger guns who declare the paper invalid.

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